Scale up an eagle?Scale up an eagle and it would have the necessary power imo.
You are aware of the cube-square law aren't you?
UFO picks up teens in car and drops 180 feet away?
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You are aware of the cube-square law aren't you?
You have no understanding of even basic mechanics. When a person or chimp lifts up the front of a car they do so by pushing down with their legs against the Earth. The Earth itself then provides, via Newton's third law, the required back reacting force. A bird lefts not by pushing the solid Earth but by the downward thrust of the air moved by its winds. You claim you designed missiles so you should be familiar with basic aerodynamical and mechanical principles. The bird, which woud already be very large and heavy, then has to push enough air downwards in a given unit of time to produce an up thrust enough to lift itself and the car. Eagles, of mass around 5 kilos, don't pick up things heavier than themselves so the bird you would need to pick up the front of a car weighing more than a ton would be hundreds of times larger. Fucking huge half ton birds which fly around and pick up cars are going to be noticed. If it's familiar enough with people to not be frightened by cars why would it hide itself away all the time?
And I can go into the mathematical justification of why thrust of a bird when taking off from a perch scales linearly with mass and length.
And I can go into the mathematical justification of why thrust of a bird when taking off from a perch scales linearly with mass and length.
Fish eagles can carry the most weight of any bird...approx. 1/3 their own body weight. Completely ignoring the cube-square law, a bird capable of picking up a 2000 lb car would weigh 6000 lbs...or as much as a rhino. So if a 15 lb bird with a 10 foot wingspan can carry 5 pounds....assuming linear scaling, a 6000 lbs. bird would have a wingspan of somewhere around 4000 feet! That's some big fucking drumsticks..I tell you what!
The amount of power needed is comparable to a human strongman event. A chimpanzee is at least four times stronger than the world's strongest man. Scale up an eagle and it would have the necessary power imo.
The world's biggest, and most powerful Eagle, weighs just 7 kilograms.
But here you go again, making the same elementary mistakes about body density, scale, and power/weight ratios you make on the stupid 'Umboi' thread.
Its odd that CSS seems to focus on topics which relate, so he claims, to areas he has qualifications/experience in, namely astronomy and aeronautics, and yet he time and again shows he's utterly unfamiliar with either of them.
CSS, I'll ask you directly again, did you lie about your degree in astronomy and your job which involved missile design.
Anyone who doesn't understand the issue of thrust to weigh ratios for birds should not be allowed anywhere near the designs of flying explosive devices.
CSS, I'll ask you directly again, did you lie about your degree in astronomy and your job which involved missile design.
Anyone who doesn't understand the issue of thrust to weigh ratios for birds should not be allowed anywhere near the designs of flying explosive devices.
It's clear proof that these aliens have a far more advanced technology than our own.
It appears these days they perform their experiments as fast as a hummingbird humps.
It appears these days they perform their experiments as fast as a hummingbird humps.
Enmos
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We have aliens? Where?
The hang glider analogy is appauling!! It's the brute strength of the flight muscles which can provide the power you donut.
It's a very good analogy. To make lift, you have to shift air, usually by creating a pressure differential between the surfaces of a wing or propeller. The surface area of the wing are directly related to the amount of lift that can be created.
Brute strength means muscle, which means mass, which means increased wing surface area to life the muscle mass.
You keep ignoring the science, yet you claim to have worked for Qinetiq, or at least for DERA at Farnborough? Shame my mates got outsourced from Qinetiq or I could have seen if anybody knew you.
What field do you work in now?
Ophiolite
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I blame them for not dropping him on his head from high enough.
It's a small 3 acre field of fallow ground just outside Rochester.
Quote CSS;
"I flunked my A-levels and then got a degree whilst employed at the DRA which became DERA, and then changed to Qinetic."
Just where did you get a degree from, if you flunked your 'A' Levels? Who metriculated that degree, because without 'A' Levels, or an 'Access Course' you aren't going to be accepted onto a degree, and no govt dept can swing that. If you are 40, I don't believe 'Access Courses' existed back then. To be honest, I doubt the DRA would have hired you for any role had you flunked your 'A' Levels, everyone I know that worked for them got jobs after graduating.
Why did you leave Qinetiq?
"I flunked my A-levels and then got a degree whilst employed at the DRA which became DERA, and then changed to Qinetic."
Just where did you get a degree from, if you flunked your 'A' Levels? Who metriculated that degree, because without 'A' Levels, or an 'Access Course' you aren't going to be accepted onto a degree, and no govt dept can swing that. If you are 40, I don't believe 'Access Courses' existed back then. To be honest, I doubt the DRA would have hired you for any role had you flunked your 'A' Levels, everyone I know that worked for them got jobs after graduating.
Why did you leave Qinetiq?
You're calling me a donut? I'm not the one proposing that story about a ufo encounter is actually proof of a giant 4 winged bird, even though there's nothing in the story even remotely close to describing a bird. A bird that no one has ever seen, even though it's in a populated area, and apparently is so bold it attacks cars. The depths of you mental illness are scary. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out you post from a mental institution.
I think that's possibly the case Mac.
CSS's alleged qualifications and work experience just don't stack up.
To get accepted on a degree course, students usually study 'A' levels, and need to get a certain number of points, plus a pass in a relevant subject, to get on the course. I took a physics and computing degree, for instance, and my 'A' levels were Maths, Physics, and Chemistry. I had to pass Physics to get on the course, and get good enough grades in the others, but some variability was allowed. BTW, I'm just a year older than CSS, so he can't say 'it was different in his day'.
OK, so he he says he flunked his 'A' Levels. That means he needs to get an alternative path onto a degree course. There is an establishment in the UK, called 'The Open University', where people can take degrees using distance learning, and attend seminars in holiday periods, etc etc, and gain a degree.
So, is CSS saying he got his degree at The Open University? I wonder. He hasn't said, but as you can imagine, being a correspondence course, there's no lab time. No messing about with lasers, or liquid nitrogen, no taking measurements, tabulating them, all of that real world science. Also, an Open University Degree, taken part time while he was working, would have taken about seven years. I really doubt he studied any science for seven years.
OK, let's go back to CSS's alleged job experience. DRA (Defense Research Agency) were formed in 1991. A school friend of mine joined them as a graduate just after they took that title. He's the same age as me, but re-took his 'A' Levels, and bummed around for a year after graduation.
CSS is one year younger than us, and didn't study for a degree. Hmm, degrees take three years, so following the time line, if CSS joined the DRA after he flunked his 'A' levels, which are usually taken at age 18, well, it doesn't add up. The DRA were not called the DRA when he was 18.
Or he didn't take his 'A' levels until he was 21, the age most people Graduate from University. Maybe he repeatedly failed his 'A' levels.
Hmm, so he reckons he got a job with a Defense Research Agency, designing Missiles, with just 'O' levels, (O for Ordinary, A for Advanced). Like FUCK he did. I have seven 'O' levels, with a Grade 'A' in Physics, and there's no fucking way they were hiring 16 year olds with 'O' levels to design missiles.
So, other qualifications, ... HNC, or HND maybe (Higher National Certificate, and Higher National Diploma) maybe these were generally taken at tech colleges by less academically gifted students, but this path seldom leads to 'A' Levels, HNC qualifies for studying an HND, which was somewhere between 'A' Levels and a Degree, .....
Anyway, the timing, ages, names of establishments, and the claim he got hired just don't add up.
Maybe he did some work experience there, and has fantasised the rest.
Ding ding ding...we have a winner!
The woo is very strong in this one...if woo were Midi-chlorians...he'd be blowing Yoda out of the water.
Check out the power of the bird; EAGLE VS. MOUNTAIN GOAT: AMAZING FOOTAGE! FULL CLIP. Behold.
No one is denying that eagles are strong and intelligent....but what has this to do with 4 winged bird lifting a car, that none of the witnesses saw or described. Off your medication again?
That doesn't negate what we've said. The size of a bird capable of picking up cars would be enormous yet there's zero evidence for them. No nests, no droppings, no nothing. A bird weighing 1000 kg and not frightened of people would be easily sighted because it wouldn't make any attempt to hide itself away.
I asked you a direct question, did you lie about your qualifications and job experience? Its just that all evidence points to you being a liar.
Ophiolite
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In fairness this is not strictly true. He may believe what he is saying, in which case he is simply demented. (Which raises the possibility that the car was moved by a dementor from Azkaban.)