Tunisia's newly elected president calls for country's Jewish population to return

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Yeah, we are abusing and killing jews right ? :rolleyes:
Israel :rolleyes:

So the jewish community leader in Tunisia, and the jewish community in Tunisia, rejected the calls of Shalom for Tunisian jews to immigrate immidiatly to Israel, saying that they have not been abused in anywya, and Tunisia is their homeland and etc...
& now Tunisia's newly elected president calls for the Tunisian jews who went to Israel (mainly after the world war) to come back to Tunisia.
The islamist party (Ennahda) who had about 40% of the chairs in the parliment, also said that the Tunisian jews are Tunisians after all, and they have all their rights and etc... (no relegious descrimination in other words)
I personnally find it a good news to call the Tunisian jews to come back.
 
Tunisia is a third world shithouse.

Why would anyone, having gotten out of there, want to return?
 
http://www.startribune.com/world/135882178.html


Yeah, we are abusing and killing jews right ? :rolleyes:
Israel :rolleyes:

So the jewish community leader in Tunisia, and the jewish community in Tunisia, rejected the calls of Shalom for Tunisian jews to immigrate immidiatly to Israel, saying that they have not been abused in anywya, and Tunisia is their homeland and etc...
& now Tunisia's newly elected president calls for the Tunisian jews who went to Israel (mainly after the world war) to come back to Tunisia.
The islamist party (Ennahda) who had about 40% of the chairs in the parliment, also said that the Tunisian jews are Tunisians after all, and they have all their rights and etc... (no relegious descrimination in other words)
I personnally find it a good news to call the Tunisian jews to come back.

Sounds like a positive step, good on you guys for opening your hearts, minds and doors to Tunisia's Jewish expats. However, I think you've got some pretty big misconceptions about relations between Tunisia's Arabs and Israeli Jews- it doesn't sound like there's been much conflict or disagreement between the two groups, and the biggest division of all was probably just the previous president using Israel as a propaganda punching bag for the purpose of maintaining domestic control (this is not to say Tunisians have no justifiable reason to dislike Israelis, that's for you to decide yourselves).

Israel's political disputes are with the Palestinians, Iran, certain Lebanese and Syrian factions, and it exhibits severe paranoia and distrust towards Egypt and Saudi Arabia (although if you takes Wikileaks seriously, Israel and Saudi Arabia are actually pretty close in their political objectives to the point where they're practically allies in secret). Maybe I missed something in my political studies, because I have never really heard much of anything about Tunisia and Israel having any serious quarrels. Israel spends more time complaining about Ireland than they do about Tunisia.
 
Tunisia is a third world shithouse.

Why would anyone, having gotten out of there, want to return?

And what Israel and shithouse? Israel is even worse then beautiful Tunisia. The only people that like Israel are the jews because they are taxed, Israel zionist government even gives them money to move to Israel! And you think Tunisia is a shithouse, to me smells like someone is brainwashed.
 
It has almost nothing to do with weapons and equipment. The standard of life is higher, they are a modern democratic state.
 
It has almost nothing to do with weapons and equipment. The standard of life is higher, they are a modern democratic state.

So you have to be a democratic state/country, to have a "better country" or better life? Are you serious? You ever heard of Yugoslavia?
 
It has almost nothing to do with weapons and equipment. The standard of life is higher, they are a modern democratic state.

Modern democratic states don't allow themselves to be pushed around by religious radicals, and if you've been following developments in Israeli politics with intolerant ultra orthodox Jews steadily encroaching on the state's secular foundations, I don't know how you can continue to throw that claim around. If you want to make this into a pissing contest between Israel and Tunisia, then let's just end it here with the fact that neither country holds so much as a candle to the quality of life enjoyed in a country like Sweden, and both countries have a tremendous amount of social, political and economic development ahead of them before they'll be able to do so. Arguing over which country sucks more betrays a very shallow world outlook.
 
It's a good sign, however, politicians almost never do anything for the public good (the public being farm animals to be milked) and so one has to wonder what's really going on ... if anything.

I think it's more for the domestic fundamental Islamic audience - sorry guys, the new sheriff in town isn't going in for your fundamental religious bullshit...
 
I think it's more for the domestic fundamental Islamic audience - sorry guys, the new sheriff in town isn't going in for your fundamental religious bullshit...

How does an invitation to Jews serve the interests of fundamentalist Muslims?
 
How does an invitation to Jews serve the interests of fundamentalist Muslims?
I was thinking it doesn't - it probably serve the interests of the Tunisia political elite. It might be a gambit to open up momentary feelers with the USA? The Gods only know there's buckets of wealthy Jewish Americans (as well as other Americans) all too happy to invest in Tunisia. By suggesting Jewish Tunisians can come "home" as it were, the political elite are staking their future on the need for total military control so as to milk the cows like the farmers they are :shrug: Not much different than anywhere TTYTT.
 
I was thinking it doesn't - it probably serve the interests of the Tunisia political elite. It might be a gambit to open up momentary feelers with the USA? The Gods only know there's buckets of wealthy Jewish Americans (as well as other Americans) all too happy to invest in Tunisia. By suggesting Jewish Tunisians can come "home" as it were, the political elite are staking their future on the need for total military control so as to milk the cows like the farmers they are :shrug: Not much different than anywhere TTYTT.

Obviously they stand to gain some financial benefit by opening themselves up to Jews of Tunisian descent and their educations and incomes, as well as improving ties with the West. And if they're willing to let their country be guided by economic interests instead of stupid nationalistic pissing contests and religious whacko tyrants, then we should be welcoming such a change, right? I think the only room for reasonable doubt is in the details- it's easy enough to make a vague offer for Jews to return, much harder to implement in practice.

Will those Jews be allowed to consume alcohol, will the state's laws be made by rational people instead of crazy people speaking on behalf of magic sky fairies? Will the Jews be given legitimate opportunities to increase their wealth instead of having it slowly siphoned off by the state until it's all gone? Will they be permitted free speech including the right to insult or openly question Islam? Will Tunisian Muslims be allowed to convert to Judaism? Will all taxes and civil laws be made on a secular basis which treats all religious beliefs on an equal footing? Will genuine state protection be provided to Jews who face a threat from Tunisian antisemites? What about Christians? Will they also be given equal rights? What about religions not mentioned in the Quran, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Paganism or non-religions such as atheism/agnosticism, will they also receive equal rights? Separation between Mosque and State?

These are the kinds of questions that Tunisia must still answer if they want to be taken seriously, and it will take some time for them to put their words into practice and show us that they're genuinely looking to change their attitudes towards other religions, races and cultures.
 
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Sounds like a positive step, good on you guys for opening your hearts, minds and doors to Tunisia's Jewish expats. However, I think you've got some pretty big misconceptions about relations between Tunisia's Arabs and Israeli Jews- it doesn't sound like there's been much conflict or disagreement between the two groups, and the biggest division of all was probably just the previous president using Israel as a propaganda punching bag for the purpose of maintaining domestic control (this is not to say Tunisians have no justifiable reason to dislike Israelis, that's for you to decide yourselves).

Israel's political disputes are with the Palestinians, Iran, certain Lebanese and Syrian factions, and it exhibits severe paranoia and distrust towards Egypt and Saudi Arabia (although if you takes Wikileaks seriously, Israel and Saudi Arabia are actually pretty close in their political objectives to the point where they're practically allies in secret). Maybe I missed something in my political studies, because I have never really heard much of anything about Tunisia and Israel having any serious quarrels. Israel spends more time complaining about Ireland than they do about Tunisia.


There's no misconceptions actually, the previous regine itself was an allie to Israel (in secret), and Tunisia was a center for Israeli spying on north Africa, also Ben Ali spying on France for Israel.
When you say there's no reason for Tunisians to hate Israel, you forget the fact that we are also arabs, and may be divided in different countries, but well all share many things, and any invader to any arab country, will not be a friend for the other arab people for sure, esspecially Israel.

It's also not true that it's very clear between Israel and Tunisia, there are many things, including Israel attack on Tunisia in 4 October 1985.
Calling the Tunisian jews to move to Israel immidiatly, many times after the revolution, and also trying to seduce them with money (wich the Tunisian jewish community responsible answered Israel, or more specificly it's prime minister who maked this call, that the Tunisian jews are in their home, and they had no problems at all concerning relegion, and infact, their culture is mixed with the Tunisian culture, they all share the same culture etc... (in other words, they said to him "go to hell") The islamist party ennahdha also said that Tunisian jews are full rights citizents and etc... after all they are Tunisians)
Also alot of other relations of the previous ruling "mafia" (litterly a mafia) with Israel. (but the main thing is what I mentioned about the arab identity)

Anyway, when I say not recocgnizing Israel as a country, or refusing to make economical agreements and cooporations with it, doesnt mean necesserly war, however, in the meanwhile, we can't be interfiering in Israel-Palastine matters or such things, since right now, we are in a weak position.

However, the priority now, is not Palastine situation, or any other exterior situation, the priority now is Tunisia (and Libya, since it will be a needed partner, same for the other side, Libya needs Tunisia, and Tunisia needs Libya).

But if you are talking about relegion, most Tunisians (I learned to never say all), have nothing to hate in jews, and we do recocgnize the Tunisian jews as Tunisians and a part of our society, and history tells that, alot of jews were a part of the resistance against France occupation, and later against Israel policies and etc.. and more proofs, the so many plans to use the relegion card to make Tunisia enter a relegious chaos, when a made up protestation against jews went in Tunis in front of a synagog, and when a Christian priest was murdered, so Tunisians (the muslims) showed their compasion by going to the church...etc... we don't have any relegion problem in Tunisia.

Tunisian jews, are after all, Tunisians
 
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So you have to be a democratic state/country, to have a "better country" or better life? Are you serious? You ever heard of Yugoslavia?

Yes, sadly, Israel is more "developed" than us indeed, and it's also supported by the world powers, what do you expect?
(p.s.: It have nuclear weapons too)
Lets hope to build a new Tunisia, a democratic one, and work to build it.
We do have a good military, that every Tunisian can be proud of, but we don't have much weapons like Libya for example, or Algeria.
 
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I was thinking it doesn't - it probably serve the interests of the Tunisia political elite. It might be a gambit to open up momentary feelers with the USA? The Gods only know there's buckets of wealthy Jewish Americans (as well as other Americans) all too happy to invest in Tunisia. By suggesting Jewish Tunisians can come "home" as it were, the political elite are staking their future on the need for total military control so as to milk the cows like the farmers they are :shrug: Not much different than anywhere TTYTT.

So you are comparing Tunisia to Germany in Hitler's time? Or Moncef Marzouki as Hitler? Btw, the newly elected president, isnt an islamist.
And it wasn't a suggestion that Tunisian jews "can" come home, but, it's a call for Tunisian jews to come home.
 
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Obviously they stand to gain some financial benefit by opening themselves up to Jews of Tunisian descent and their educations and incomes, as well as improving ties with the West. And if they're willing to let their country be guided by economic interests instead of stupid nationalistic pissing contests and religious whacko tyrants, then we should be welcoming such a change, right? I think the only room for reasonable doubt is in the details- it's easy enough to make a vague offer for Jews to return, much harder to implement in practice.

Indeed, you forgot to mention, that inviting all Tunisian jews to come back to Tunisia, will make Tunisia later, able to oppose to Israel policies, and not be called anti-jews or anti-semetic or something.. (just a thought)


Will those Jews be allowed to consume alcohol, will the state's laws be made by rational people instead of crazy people speaking on behalf of magic sky fairies? Will the Jews be given legitimate opportunities to increase their wealth instead of having it slowly siphoned off by the state until it's all gone? Will they be permitted free speech including the right to insult or openly question Islam? Will Tunisian Muslims be allowed to convert to Judaism? Will all taxes and civil laws be made on a secular basis which treats all religious beliefs on an equal footing? Will genuine state protection be provided to Jews who face a threat from Tunisian antisemites? What about Christians? Will they also be given equal rights? What about religions not mentioned in the Quran, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Paganism or non-religions such as atheism/agnosticism, will they also receive equal rights? Separation between Mosque and State?

These are the kinds of questions that Tunisia must still answer if they want to be taken seriously, and it will take some time for them to put their words into practice and show us that they're genuinely looking to change their attitudes towards other religions, races and cultures.

hehe, many people already consume alcohol.
Most parties agree on that, democracy, freedome of spech, secular state, etc...
Including al-Nahdha, the islamic party, according to what they said, it will not ban any kind of clothes, or alcohol, or night clubs, or any of such things, and most certinly will give the freedome of relegion and etc... (yes that is islamic, that's the other side, there are verses to support that and etc... (just if it came in your mind the word Islam or Quran) freedom of relegion, ["talk to people with the good word and not with violence, and etc...history prooved that indeed (the revolutions, like in Tunisia, Egypte, Morroco) the pen is stronger than the sword"] human rights, democracy), according to what they said, the main points that you asked about, are a "yes" (when you say islamic, not necesserly like, taliban or al-qaeda, that's the fanatism).
But I don't think the insulting part is acceptebal, toward any relegion or any thing other thing, questioning however, is acceptebal, it's a free speech. (after all, your freedom stops at the other's freedom, it means that you can't punsh someone in the face or insult him or steal hes money and say it's democracy, the freedome of speech)




More than that, time will tell and show.
 
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