Jcarl,
Sorry you’ve lost me, what does what imply?
If something doesn't need a creator, then how does it get there?
It evolves from something else. And physics shows us that nothing is ever created or destroyed, matter and energy are simply interchangeable. Everything that currently exists has always existed although has probably undergone an infinite number of transformations.
To say that it always has been doesn't fit in with the fact that the universe is running down.
But that isn’t a fact. A credible alternative is that the universe is in the expansion phase of an infinite cyclic loop. Try this link on the cyclic universe –
http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/steinhardt.html
How does evolution explain morals or love?
These are products of your brain and your brain evolved just like everything else.
it isn't endless because gas keeps the whole thing running; it relies on something outside of itself to start the whole thing. If this wasn't the case, then it wouldn't run down and would have to have existed forever.
Hmm, well the analogy was only meant to demonstrate a cyclic mechanism.
How is it to begin again and still comply with entropy?
Entropy is irrelevant for a cyclic universe; it is reset at every cycle. Read the article.
If it runs out of usable energy, how is it to start again?
The universe cannot run out of energy, there is nowhere for it to go.
If we're to say that it "falls down to another energy level"(like a bouncing ball) it still only has a finite past.
Then don’t say that, it’s a bad model.
(somewhere the ball had to initially be dropped)
Not if it has always been in motion.
But space can't always have been for the reasons above.
And refuted.
Eventually, no matter what model is used, it eventually comes to a beginning.
But that is impossible. If everything had a beginning then how did the first thing start? An infinite universe is the only credible answer since it doesn't require a beginning.
You're assuming that God would need space to exist. This isn't the case as God is a Spirit, which isn't natural and needs no space.
No. You missed the point. The issue wasn’t about space but about things popping out of nowhere. If the universe has always existed then the issue of “popping” from anywhere is mute and a requirement for a supernatural creator simply evaporates.
Kat