It's rather hilarious you just posted in the "fallacies" thread - you should have read them. You can't prove a negative, pumpkins.
So the onus is on you to show that torture would work. Not on me to show that it wouldn't.
Here, I'll explain in case you don't understand.
Tyler -- Rubbing fluffy bunnies in their face for 4 minutes every day for a year would stop criminals
Pumpkins -- Do you have any proof this would work?
Tyler -- Do you have any proof it wouldn't?
You do notice the problem here, eh? You see how it wouldn't be, in the above example, your job to prove I'm wrong - it would be my job to prove I'm right? Please, god almighty, tell me you see this?
"i am talking about in our current times...not thousands of years ago."
You see, pumpkins, there is no current evidence of this as most first-world nations today are not barbairic enough to use physical torture. However - extreme torture is used on other criminals (most of which has been mentioned in this very thread), and it has never seemed to deteer criminals. Same within the former Soviet Union.
"as flippant as this may sound...don't other countries practice torture right now? they especially love to do so on American service men."
Where? When?
Regardless, I'm sure you're not as brain-dead as you're making yourself out to be. "They do it, so should we!" is, well, it sounds like a fight in the kindergarten sand box.
"but, as i pointed out...under extreme circumstances, maybe we should"
So explain your extreme circumstances. You mean saving thousands of lives? To begin with, it is extremely difficult to prove one man has knowledge that can save thousands of lives. Secondly, if I was that man, and subjected to torture, I would simply make up a believable lie. I get out of torture and my side still is saved. Wouldn't you do the same?
It's hilarious, as I said, that you were just at the fallacy page; there was a link to this there:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html
(emphasis mine)
Description of Burden of Proof
Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance. This sort of reasoning typically has the following form:
Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B.
Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X.
In many situations, one side has the burden of proof resting on it. This side is obligated to provide evidence for its position. The claim of the other side, the one that does not bear the burden of proof, is assumed to be true unless proven otherwise. The difficulty in such cases is determining which side, if any, the burden of proof rests on. In many cases, settling this issue can be a matter of significant debate. In some cases the burden of proof is set by the situation. For example, in American law a person is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty (hence the burden of proof is on the prosecution). As another example, in debate the burden of proof is placed on the affirmative team. As a final example, in most cases the burden of proof rests on those who claim something exists (such as Bigfoot, psychic powers, universals, and sense data).
(Sorry for posting so much of the quote, Anthony, I just wanted to highlight it all to make sure it was understood)