Jan Ardena,
The second point is one that I made previously: that you don't just want a supernatural creator for the universe and that's it. You want also to import a whole lot of baggage about this creator. Things like God being good, God caring for human beings, God having a plan for his creation, and so on and so forth.
But not necessarily something supernatural. My point was that there is no reason to jump from the natural to the supernatural at that point in the argument.It follows logically that if 1, 2, and 3 are proven, then the cause of the material manifestation was brought into being by something non-material (transcendental).
I'm not sure what you mean by that.With that as a premise, we can assume that the cause also contain elements of that which it caused.
God is a leap of faith at that point, not a logical deduction. The key word is "logical".So why not God? How is assuming God, not a logical conclusion given what we have to work with?
Then we are agreed on that point. Good.No. Infinite regressions don't help, are an unnecessarily distraction.
You either accept that it came from an causeless agent, the universe(s) is/are eternal, or it brought itself into existence.
A couple of points. The first is that I don't claim to know exactly how the universe came about. And you know what? That's fine with me. I'm comfortable with not having all the answers right now. So I don't believe that the universe/multiverse is eternal. I'm agnostic on that point, and I'll wait for more evidence either way.You don't have to know. As I said we have a choice. Me believing God is that eternal source, is mechanistically non different to you believing the universe is eternal. Neither of us can prove the other right or wrong.
The second point is one that I made previously: that you don't just want a supernatural creator for the universe and that's it. You want also to import a whole lot of baggage about this creator. Things like God being good, God caring for human beings, God having a plan for his creation, and so on and so forth.