You could always ask for references too.
And honors and awards like Hawking's.
And honors and awards like Hawking's.
Time Travel is Science Fiction
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I rarely resort to personal remarks on fora, but this got my goat
Farsight, you do NOT use logic and analysis. You quote selectively from sources that you believe (often incorrectly) supports your own unwavering opinion, you use childish and misleading analogies and you dismiss aspects of scientific research by serious and clever people as "woo" without providing any evidence of your understanding of what this "woo" actually is.
You are a pest and ego-maniacal fraud.
So there
You don't even understand the physics and yet you make infantile claims.
Silly Billy.....Of course they travelled through time as well as space. Both are unavoidable properties of the Universe.
Landau is wrong.
That is unmitigated pseudoscience rubbish.
Three points to help you...
[1]A clock has nothing to do with time except to measure its passing.
[2]When one clock appears to be going slower then the other, it is time dilated...nothing to do with motion.
[3]No local Frame sees anything like time dilation within that frame. Time passes as per normal. It [time dilation] is a frame dependent thingy.
From where I sit, it is you who makes the insulting condescending remarks, it is you who continues to grossly misinterpret people, it is you who is dabbling in woo, and finally it appears it is you who has no knowledge of SR/GR and what it entails.
Another conspiracy theorist!
The above is another example of your insidious misinterpretations. No one I believe has ever said WH's or wormholes, exist, or that time travel is real. Just that none are forbidden by the laws of GR and physics.
Anyone who doubts the fact that the laws of physics and GR do not forbid time travel and wormholes, most likely have an agenda.
And anyone that has ever claimed to have a TOE on this forum, should be undoubtedly committed.
The most obvious point in this thread is the title is a furphy.
Time travel can never be deemed as Impossible, while it is not forbidden by the laws of physics and GR.
And just as obviously, any sufficiently advanced civilisation could achieve it, even our own.
That maybe 100, 1000, 10,000 years in the future, no one knows.
While the manipulation of spacetime is probably the most common theoretical way we could achieve it, I would like to throw in another completely different manner....
What if we were able to "manipulate"the Higgs Boson and/or field to project a perception of no mass?"
I mean manipulate it to give spacetime the perception that a certain object has no mass.
If we had no mass, or if we could fool "spacetime/Universe" into thinking we had no mass, we may achieve "c" or FTL travel.
Just some speculative conjecture. Any comments?
Including the possibility I'm crazy!
Time travel can never be deemed as Impossible, while it is not forbidden by the laws of physics and GR.
And just as obviously, any sufficiently advanced civilisation could achieve it, even our own.
That maybe 100, 1000, 10,000 years in the future, no one knows.
While the manipulation of spacetime is probably the most common theoretical way we could achieve it, I would like to throw in another completely different manner....
What if we were able to "manipulate"the Higgs Boson and/or field to project a perception of no mass?"
I mean manipulate it to give spacetime the perception that a certain object has no mass.
If we had no mass, or if we could fool "spacetime/Universe" into thinking we had no mass, we may achieve "c" or FTL travel.
Just some speculative conjecture. Any comments?
Including the possibility I'm crazy!
More fairy tales designed to get a raise out of people...
Why don't you post some quotes from notable, reputable people regarding Hawking.....Perhaps a quote or two from Sir Roger Penrose, or Kip Thorne, or Brendan Carter, or from a myriad of any recognised physicists.
Perhaps at the same time, we can ask them of their opinion about you.
Sounds like a comment one of those ridiculious YEC's or God Botherers would make.
I always had my suspicions about you Farsight and what your agenda was.
Highlighting a quote from an obvious fool, about comments Hawking was making on a speculative scenario certainly supports your new "closet God Botherer" status.
I'll clarify several things associated with the examples I gave you. All three examples describe predictions made using the Genral Theory of Relativity. All three describe the same type spacetime event. Where one local proper frame compares it's tick rate with the tick rate of a different local proper frame. For example I'll use the relativistic rocket. This example only compares tick rates associated with relative velocity [for this journey to Andromeda the gravitational component is an infinitesimal and will have no bearing on the tick rates]. The relative velocity between the local proper frame of the clock on earth and the local proper frame of the clock on the rocket. If we believe the formulas are correctly derived [they are] then we can find the tick ratio between the earth clock and the rocket clock by just comparing the total ticks over the rockets path to Andromeda to the total ticks of the earth clock as the rocket completes the journey. So it becomes
dTau_rocket/dTau_earth = 28 earthyear/2,000,000 earthyear = 1.4E-5 [.000014]
For each tick on the rocket clock 71,428.57 ticks are recorded on the earth clock. That what we mean when we say the rocket is traveling into the earths future. Keep in mind the acceleration doesn't effect the tick rate beyond the increase in instantaneous relative velocity due to the application of force.
The GPS is a weak field test for the same type of spacetime event. For this event we need accuracy to a billionth of a second when we synchronize the earth based and satellite based clocks. This was an important test of GR and confirms the predictions of relativity theory.
So the time travel which is most likely impossible is traveling into the future, or past, in your local proper frame. Lots of experimental efforts to show this is possible without any positive results. Essentially you need to break the causal path. There's a fun discussion of this in Kip Thorne's book 'Black Holes and Time Warps'. They build a thought experiment using a wormhole as a prospective time machine.
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You're a juvenile liar with low self esteem. The lie is your claim to have made a scientific argument. The low self esteem is your desire to disparage folks who do make scientific arguments rather than making dumbshit assertions like you do. Your trolling is pretty much on the same level as danshawen. You don't have a clue what Hawking is talking about or what constrains empirical tests associated with the quantum gravity domain of applicability. Idiot wind ^2. BTW it's you who is abusing our sensibilities with your never ending troll.
He might have us both on ignore.
Oh well. Maybe he can chat with MD, Landau and whoever...
"Professional physicists" who also presumably think Einstein, Hawking, Thorne et al are idiots. Let's hope they're not responsible for anything important.
Exactly. And you are talking pompous pseudoscience since we are already directly observing people moving through time at different rates. Since you cannot imagine this ever changing, you believe it is impossible. Just as this guy could not imagine the weight limit seemingly imposed by birds ever changing.
Why mention Farsight's closed ears "isn't typically interested in having discussions with people unless they agree with him," his method has been agreeable to the mods here since 2006.
In that light, you seem to be saying those other sites were wrong to ban him.
Why has no one yet mentioned Gott's time travel using cosmic strings, it's agreeble with Einstein's field equations. Me? the thread's a jumble so why bother.
I'm interested in discussing physics. If I wasn't I would start threads or post on them.nimbus said:
Well spotted. They were. When I've been banned, it's usually because I know more physics than some guy like Quarkhead who wants to be seen as the expert.nimbus said:
Probably because there's as much evidence for cosmic strings as there is for faeries.nimbus said:
I don't think I've talked to any professional physicists who think Einstein was an idiot. But I have talked to some who think Hawking is a devious quack who has deliberately focussed on unfalsifiable hypotheses. And I have met some who think Thorne is a wannabee celebrity physicist peddling popscience woo.billvon said:
No we don't. It's popscience to say we do. Imagine you can directly observe some guy sitting in his chair. He isn't moving through time at all. His heart moves, his blood moves, light moves, cogs move in a clock. And all this motion is through space.billvon said:
I'm pointing out what actually happens. You're clinging to a fantasy, like the guys who cling to the fantasy of heaven and hell and sweet baby Jesus, and you will not give it up.billvon said:
Like I was saying, all we are dealing with here is different rates of local motion.
And again: time dilation is not time travel.
It's a popscience book. There is no way you can move such that everything else in the universe has somehow magically moved back to where it was before it moved.
When Einstein spoke about the curvature of space he really meant spacetime -the combined four dimensions of the universe. You're basing everything on a misconception because Einstein didn't elaborate enough at some point. Space and time are entangled and you can't have one without the other. Maybe if you actually studied physics you'd know this.
Everything you say and have ever said on this subject is therefore total garbage.
Everything you say and have ever said on this subject is therefore total garbage.
Einstein didn't speak about the curvature of space. He was always very careful to distinguish between space and spacetime. And actually, you'll be hard pressed to find him talking about curved spacetime. Try giving a quote.
I'm not basing everything on a misconception. Au contraire, I'm basing everything on empirical evidence, and on what Einstein actually said. You too should read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-without-Time-Forgotten-Einstein/dp/0465092942
But I have studied physics. Not at university, but instead I've read most of what Einstein wrote. And when I say something I'm often referring to Einstein saying it. It isn't total garbage. What is, is time travel.
Is this a good enough quote?
(As is discussed later in this book, space and time are entangled, so
the curvature of which Einstein spoke is really a curvature of spacetime, the
combined four dimensions of our universe.)
From this book
Have you read it? It's only a text book. Or, maybe it's woo?
(As is discussed later in this book, space and time are entangled, so
the curvature of which Einstein spoke is really a curvature of spacetime, the
combined four dimensions of our universe.)
From this book
Have you read it? It's only a text book. Or, maybe it's woo?
No. Quote Einstein. The whole point of our discussions here is that I've read what Einstein said, and you don't believe what he said, or me. Because you've seen something different in some textbook that you treat like a bible.