Write4U
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No, I am pulled away from these scientists and the sciences they represent that are pertinent to the subject under discussion.I think he means you tend to pull threads in certain directions, like Bohm, Tegmark, MT MUH even though they are not the topic of the thread.
If you think religion is bad for humanity that is a different thread.
When you want to discuss fundamentals there are no directions. All fundamental knowledge is pertinent to discussions of fundamentals.
I am addressing a purported aspect of the fundamental Universal Wholeness and that includes the concept of Heaven, where the fundamental Creator is supposed to dwell and only some human souls are allowed to enter. Pretty exclusive stuff.
This cannot be parsed as an "unknown fundamental" into bits and pieces. A discussion of the existence of a heaven and a soul as that which enters heaven after death, includes a discussion of the soul as an aspect of human consciousness . How can you ignore what human consciousness is and how it manifests, when you want to use that as a possible description of "soul".
I am trying to do science, but I am not allowed to expain or defend the information that I believe is pertinent to the dicussion.
To declare the soul and heaven exist but are unknowable and cannot be defined is absolutely meaningless.
Unknowable? Ok, were done. Really???
And if we want to get an idea of what the allegory of God actually represents as a "watchmaker", an "intelligent designer", we must include what we know about reality and how it manifests itself especially if we have access to esteemed physicists who are also versed in both the quasi-intelligent natural pattern formations and evolving adaptions to nature and the abstract deisms that use nature as expressions of such quasi-intelligent processes.
Those are the people we should at least listen to.
To exclude any portion of science that can be used to examine abstract universal concepts is not productive.
IMO, this subject warrants the application of all related knowledge of universal fundamentals.
You won't hear me talk about abstractions when discussing the merits of a motorcycle's suspension designed for long distance travel as opposed to off-road scrambling.
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