Thus Spoke
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They have nothing! They're clutching at straws that, in a more nearly sane society, wouldn't even exist.
And wife acknowledged such.
- Tim Walz has described his family's IVF experience. But they used a different procedure
Tim Walz has described his family's IVF experience. But they used a different procedure
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the Democratic nominee for vice president, is facing fresh scrutiny for how he's described his family's struggle with infertility.
apnews.com
EXCERPT: But Gwen Walz on Tuesday issued a statement that detailed the experience more comprehensively and disclosed that they relied on a different process known as intrauterine insemination, or IUI. [...] IUI involves placing a partner’s or donor’s sperm in the uterus at the time of ovulation. With IVF, a woman’s eggs are removed from her body, combined with the sperm and then transferred back into her uterus.
Apologetics or damage control approach: The claim was grounded in blurry language that everybody uses?
- JD Vance accused Tim Walz of lying about his IVF experience. Fertility doctors say confusion is common.
JD Vance accused Tim Walz of lying about his IVF experience. Fertility doctors say confusion is common.
Gwen Walz recently revealed that she underwent a fertility treatment called intrauterine insemination.
www.nbcnews.com
EXCERPTS: Tim Walz has never directly said he and his wife had their children via IVF, but some of his past statements have implied that was the case.
In February, after the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that embryos created through IVF were considered children (meaning people theoretically could be sued for destroying them), Walz wrote on Facebook that he and his wife “have two beautiful children because of reproductive health care like IVF.”
And last month, he said on the “Pod Save America” podcast that, if it were up to Vance, “I wouldn’t have a family because of IVF and the things that we need to do reproductive. My kids were born through that direct — you know, that way.”
Mia Ehrenberg, a spokesperson for the Harris-Walz campaign, said in a statement Tuesday that Walz “was using commonly understood shorthand for fertility treatments” in his previous comments. [...] Several fertility doctors said it's common to conflate IUI and IVF.
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Thus Spoke
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See post#21
“The earliest posts I found come from an account w/ what appears to be an AI generated profile pic. The account was created Nov 23, has been dormant for months, woke up three days ago... immediately tweeted 100+ times in support of the Democrats and then posted this thing about the sperm cups
I have not yet seen anyone claiming to be able to independently corroborate the existence of the jizz cups. There are now multiple media articles about it, but they seem to be entirely based on journalists (loosely defined) finding it on social media and just reporting it as fact.
I am honestly unsure about the images themselves. I've tried a few tools designed to detect fakes and they also can't decide. I don't think they're fully AI. Photoshop seems like a possibility, but I don't know. All I'm saying is the account spreading them is pretty suspect.”
The profile picture is now removed, and replaced with Kamala, but I used several fake detectors that say it was an AI generated photo.
“The earliest posts I found come from an account w/ what appears to be an AI generated profile pic. The account was created Nov 23, has been dormant for months, woke up three days ago... immediately tweeted 100+ times in support of the Democrats and then posted this thing about the sperm cups
I have not yet seen anyone claiming to be able to independently corroborate the existence of the jizz cups. There are now multiple media articles about it, but they seem to be entirely based on journalists (loosely defined) finding it on social media and just reporting it as fact.
I am honestly unsure about the images themselves. I've tried a few tools designed to detect fakes and they also can't decide. I don't think they're fully AI. Photoshop seems like a possibility, but I don't know. All I'm saying is the account spreading them is pretty suspect.”
The profile picture is now removed, and replaced with Kamala, but I used several fake detectors that say it was an AI generated photo.
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Even Thomas doesn't think they're AI images. She also considers the plausibility of the magatude being dumb enough to let someone set them up. It's possible, but the supporting evidence is apparently that the labels on the cups look too regular↱, and that the pictures are too damning↱. (Note, someone challenged↱ the bit about the labels being too regular, and appears to be correct.)
Moreover, the radio silence stands out. I mean, coordinating an effective hoax like this would be creepy-weird, the kind of thing Republicans could hit really hard. It's three days later and I don't know if they're waiting for this thing to pass or furiously dead-ending with inconclusive results, but but the loud rejection and denunciation hasn't started.
There is, of course, a third option that nobody seems to be talking about. It's just that conspiracies with that many participants never hold. But, yes, at this point Ockham says the photos are probably genuine, with a possibility that provocateurs posed for propaganda pictures.
It also stands out, as I look around other socmed sites, how easily people believe these photos, because even if it was a hoax, this is utterly believable in a time when the altchan antisocials have grown into a natural alliance with Boomer-era bully bluster.
Unfortunately, P.J. O'Rourke is not available for comment. But the episode also feels very "Republican Party Reptile".
Hopefully Snopes has better investigators than the idiot requesting information from that bot account (or to put another way, that he/she/they is similarly faux).
As Elise Thomas also suggests, even old-fashioned Photoshop might do it. The clincher would be finding what people in the original photos were holding (if they're not totally AI generated). Another theory is that someone talked gullible rally attenders into holding the cup over the course of individual snapshot instances.
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Pinball1970
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Disgusting, stupid, uneducated and unbelievably cruel vile individuals. Shame on them.#SampleInAJar | #TotallyNotWeird
Sample in a jar: Click to change the subject.
Some guy named Derek observes↱:
Trump supporters are carrying around a pretend jar of JD Vance’s jizz to mock Democrats that are unable to conceive children, just in case anyone wonders why we think they are a cult and just plain fucking weird
Filmmaker and investigative journalist Lindsay Beyerstein asserts↱:
You know why they're carrying JD Jizz Cups? To make fun of the Walz's for conceiving via IVF. The more you know, the grosser it gets.
Okay, so: Look, there's a complicated discussion that can go here about the tenuous relationship between prim Boomer moral façades and subsequent generations, on through the altchan frogs and into the mainstream conservative culture of grievance we now experience and endure.
(I remember when people who were totally not supremacists kept whining about "grievance studies" at universities, in order to disrupt historical discourse about women and nonwhites their beliefs found distressing. Now that it's clear this was just another conservative misdirection, we can only wonder how many would pretend they didn't know. Hint: The difference is in how the truth affects a person's behavior and argument in such matters. The well-intended who legitimately fell for a dumb idea change course when they figure it out, instead of digging in. But, sure, there are at least a few people who ought to be embarrassed.)
While, once upon a time, GenX used to be anxious to confront authority, what we see in the J.D. Jizzcups is the turning of that punkish, "in-your-face" attitude rejecting arbitrary authority turned toward conservative bitterness; it's kind of like the part where every high school class feels like they're the first one to be forbidden hazing.
And it's kind of like "teabaggers" and other such self-inflicted wounds. They're carrying around specimen cups, apparently with a fake semen sample inside, and J.D. Vance's face on the label. And, apparently, they're doing this to mock IVF. (It's true, I had guessed, at first glance, they were mocking childless women.)
Still, this is just one of those things that is totally not the sick burn they think it is. Sick, sure, but they're only scorching themselves.
Thus Spoke
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No Proof Trump Supporters Carried Jars of Fake Vance Semen at Rallies
The pictures did not appear to be altered, but their emergence had the hallmarks of a hoax.
www.snopes.com
Unproven
“The photos could have been entirely staged — photographs taken of and by people dressed as Trump supporters who went to his rallies to make Trump supporters look "weird."
That would be my guess, which in and of itself is weird.
No Proof Trump Supporters Carried Jars of Fake Vance Semen at Rallies
The pictures did not appear to be altered, but their emergence had the hallmarks of a hoax.
Unproven
“The photos could have been entirely staged — photographs taken of and by people dressed as Trump supporters who went to his rallies to make Trump supporters look "weird."
That would be my guess, which in and of itself is weird.
So Alex Kasprak a real person and Snopes investigator after all, neither conned by nor another con of the bot X account.
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The only things that stand out in that context are the radio silence and the lack of osint face-reccing.
Thus Spoke
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Well, you know how Democrats are.
“I did my evil, awful joke today and, strangely, don't feel better for having done so.”
If only you knew what that means.
Gawdzilla Sama
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Wait, I want to know how I am.
To Place a Marker
Please consider:
One of the things about deciding which tales to observe, consider, or propagate, is the credibility of a story, the truth of the matter. It's also easy to overcome our own disbelief if we're in the right company. Does it really matter if that credible person, there, and that one over there, are the ones who brought a story to me?
Kind of. Sort of. In a way. At least.
So, first of all: Did I miss something? Do we have an answer, and I somehow missed it?
Not that we know of? Okay, now, then:
But here's the catch: In a time of uncertainty, are we leaving this one unresolved? Next year, when someone says it was proven a hoax, will we have seen the proof? Because that's the thing, the longer this goes without being busted as a leftside hoax, the more durable it becomes because it was allowed to take root.
So, next year, when someone does a jizzcup joke, and someone else says it was proven a hoax (not even Snopes goes that far), will anyone have bothered to figure out who the people in the pictures are?
Honestly, if we need to speculate about the possibility of the best AI photo generator nobody's ever heard of because it's job is to create disinformation, I'll just point back to the part about how the whole thing is utterly believable because it is in line with conservative performative behavior over the last fifteen years, at least.
And that's pretty much the marker: The story is about to find its place in legend, and regarded as true. If the actual debunking is only ever someone's memory, the sort of assertion that will arise when the tale resurfaces after a couple years, it won't be enough to stanch the legend.
I'm just saying: Antifa osint can take, like, that blurry square centimeter of a tattoo, that little bit of beard sticking out from under the mask, and what looks like those particular boots, and in the next two to three days they can tell you who his supervisor and bartender are. The idea that we still don't know anything about the people in the pictures just doesn't sit right.
Please consider:
One of the things about deciding which tales to observe, consider, or propagate, is the credibility of a story, the truth of the matter. It's also easy to overcome our own disbelief if we're in the right company. Does it really matter if that credible person, there, and that one over there, are the ones who brought a story to me?
Kind of. Sort of. In a way. At least.
So, first of all: Did I miss something? Do we have an answer, and I somehow missed it?
Not that we know of? Okay, now, then:
• Lack of osint face-reccing — This kind of bothers me because antifa osint can identify masked rightists with what starts to feel like extraordinary ability. Did I say, extraordinary? That's the thing, what's normal? If conservative osint found Democratic or leftside activists, wouldn't they go tell it on the mountain? If leftside osint found these were likely conservatives falling for a prank, would we really hear of it before some Republican congressional candidate stutters their way through explaining a jizzcup photo?
• Utterly believable — The idea that conservatives came up with this one is even dumber than "teabaggers". But that's the thing, it's been like this for a while. And the "teabaggers" episode came fifteen years after Lind declared the death of intellectual conservatism, which in turn was a process taking place over the course of the prior decade. If I said something, before, about altchan antisocials, it seems worth observing the part where Elon Musk, owner of a prominent social media site, is "getting his science from 4chan"↱. The mean spirit that has guided conservatives at least since Reagan is pretty much all that is left. That is to say, there is a reason why something as stupid and weird as the Vance specimen cups is believable.
― i.e., It's two weeks later, and nobody has identified the people in these photos. How is that even possible, these days?
• Utterly believable — The idea that conservatives came up with this one is even dumber than "teabaggers". But that's the thing, it's been like this for a while. And the "teabaggers" episode came fifteen years after Lind declared the death of intellectual conservatism, which in turn was a process taking place over the course of the prior decade. If I said something, before, about altchan antisocials, it seems worth observing the part where Elon Musk, owner of a prominent social media site, is "getting his science from 4chan"↱. The mean spirit that has guided conservatives at least since Reagan is pretty much all that is left. That is to say, there is a reason why something as stupid and weird as the Vance specimen cups is believable.
But here's the catch: In a time of uncertainty, are we leaving this one unresolved? Next year, when someone says it was proven a hoax, will we have seen the proof? Because that's the thing, the longer this goes without being busted as a leftside hoax, the more durable it becomes because it was allowed to take root.
So, next year, when someone does a jizzcup joke, and someone else says it was proven a hoax (not even Snopes goes that far), will anyone have bothered to figure out who the people in the pictures are?
Honestly, if we need to speculate about the possibility of the best AI photo generator nobody's ever heard of because it's job is to create disinformation, I'll just point back to the part about how the whole thing is utterly believable because it is in line with conservative performative behavior over the last fifteen years, at least.
And that's pretty much the marker: The story is about to find its place in legend, and regarded as true. If the actual debunking is only ever someone's memory, the sort of assertion that will arise when the tale resurfaces after a couple years, it won't be enough to stanch the legend.
1) If leftside osint discovers this is a leftside hoax, they won't tell us.
2) If leftside osint discovers this is conservatives falling for leftside provocateurs, we will hear about it when it becomes somehow important.
3) If rightside osint discovers this is a leftside hoax, they would tell us. Loudly. Ceaselessly.
4) If rightside osint discovers this is conservatives falling for leftside provocateurs, they won't tell us.
(If this somehow turns out to be a rightside stunt gone awry, well, sure, that would be weird.)
2) If leftside osint discovers this is conservatives falling for leftside provocateurs, we will hear about it when it becomes somehow important.
3) If rightside osint discovers this is a leftside hoax, they would tell us. Loudly. Ceaselessly.
4) If rightside osint discovers this is conservatives falling for leftside provocateurs, they won't tell us.
(If this somehow turns out to be a rightside stunt gone awry, well, sure, that would be weird.)
I'm just saying: Antifa osint can take, like, that blurry square centimeter of a tattoo, that little bit of beard sticking out from under the mask, and what looks like those particular boots, and in the next two to three days they can tell you who his supervisor and bartender are. The idea that we still don't know anything about the people in the pictures just doesn't sit right.
#TotallyNotWeird
Author and journalist James Surowiecki↱ observes:
Accomplished woman endorses a candidate for president. Elon Musk responds by fantasizing about impregnating her, and Dave Rubin conjures up a scenario in which she is gang raped.
It's really hard to understand why young women won't vote Republican.
It's really hard to understand why young women won't vote Republican.
I'm not even going to bother with the disclaimer for those who don't understand sar―....
I mean, right. Never mind.
A couple of idle points I don't know what to do with:
• Yes, that's the same Dave Rubin tangled up in the Tenet-Russia indictment↗.
• Why are Trump and the magatude all over the map on Venezuela?
• Why are Trump and the magatude all over the map on Venezuela?
Because they don't know what or where it is. Much like tariffs.
On the Totally Not Weird front, have you seen Trump's latest communications depicting himself rescuing cats and kittens from scantily dressed but dishy ?Haitians? (That kitten he's clutching to a duck looks absolutely terrified. Who wouldn't be?)
I guess he's trying to woo the childless cat lady vote.
Poodling Daddy Issues Edition
¿Who's your daddy? Tucker Carlson, ca. 2020, in less embarrassing times.
Totally not weird, this moment with an actual accused Russian asset on the campaign trail for Donald Trump:
As a father who once had to consider the results of a two year-old daughter painting the wall in such a manner, it's true, I didn't beat her.
And I still have reason to hope she'll do better in this world than I did.
Of course, that's always been Carlson's success in the conservative marketplace: Give 'em what they want.
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Notes:
Liu, Nicholas. "Tucker Carlson shares Trump fantasy, likening Republican to a 'dad' who spanks his 'bad little girl'". Salon. 24 October 2024. Salon.com. 24 October 2024. https://www.salon.com/2024/10/24/tu...likening-to-a-dad-spanks-his-bad-little-girl/
¿Who's your daddy? Tucker Carlson, ca. 2020, in less embarrassing times.
Totally not weird, this moment with an actual accused Russian asset on the campaign trail for Donald Trump:
Right-wing commentator and Fox News exile Tucker Carlson rallied a crowd in Georgia by comparing a potential Trump victory to "Dad coming home" to give a "vigorous spanking" to a "bad little girl." The "bad little girl" was apparently a metaphor for Americans who voted for President Joe Biden, with Carlson saying the country needs a patriarchal savior like former President Donald Trump after misbehaving in the previous election.
"If you allow your 2-year-old to smear the contents of his diapers on the wall of your living room and you do nothing about it, if you allow your 14-year-old to light a joint at the breakfast table, if you allow your hormone-addled 15-year-old daughter to slam the door of her bedroom and give you the finger, you're gonna get more of it and those kids are going to wind up in rehab," Carlson, who has three adult daughters, said at the pro-Trump Turning Point USA event. "It's not good for you and it's not good for them. No, there has to be a point at which dad comes home."
Carlson, now shouting, said that when "dad" Trump comes home, "he's pissed" but "not vengeful" and "loves his children, disobedient as they may be," even if he's also "very disappointed in their behavior."
"When Dad gets home, you know what he says?" Tucker asked, a smile beginning to crack on his face. "'You've been a bad girl. You've been a bad little girl and you're getting a vigorous spanking, right now. And no, it's not going to hurt me more than it hurts you, I'm not gonna lie, it's going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me, and you earned this.'"
Carlson's comments, which drew loud cheers, prompted the crowd to shout "Daddy's home" and "Daddy Don" when Trump later stepped onto the stage.
(Liu↱)
"If you allow your 2-year-old to smear the contents of his diapers on the wall of your living room and you do nothing about it, if you allow your 14-year-old to light a joint at the breakfast table, if you allow your hormone-addled 15-year-old daughter to slam the door of her bedroom and give you the finger, you're gonna get more of it and those kids are going to wind up in rehab," Carlson, who has three adult daughters, said at the pro-Trump Turning Point USA event. "It's not good for you and it's not good for them. No, there has to be a point at which dad comes home."
Carlson, now shouting, said that when "dad" Trump comes home, "he's pissed" but "not vengeful" and "loves his children, disobedient as they may be," even if he's also "very disappointed in their behavior."
"When Dad gets home, you know what he says?" Tucker asked, a smile beginning to crack on his face. "'You've been a bad girl. You've been a bad little girl and you're getting a vigorous spanking, right now. And no, it's not going to hurt me more than it hurts you, I'm not gonna lie, it's going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me, and you earned this.'"
Carlson's comments, which drew loud cheers, prompted the crowd to shout "Daddy's home" and "Daddy Don" when Trump later stepped onto the stage.
(Liu↱)
As a father who once had to consider the results of a two year-old daughter painting the wall in such a manner, it's true, I didn't beat her.
And I still have reason to hope she'll do better in this world than I did.
Of course, that's always been Carlson's success in the conservative marketplace: Give 'em what they want.
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Notes:
Liu, Nicholas. "Tucker Carlson shares Trump fantasy, likening Republican to a 'dad' who spanks his 'bad little girl'". Salon. 24 October 2024. Salon.com. 24 October 2024. https://www.salon.com/2024/10/24/tu...likening-to-a-dad-spanks-his-bad-little-girl/