The Sun Is Not Hot

[chung]

Here is a demonstration of similar principle, where the source of frequency need not be hot:
[video=youtube_share;dmuyLIrSjxI]http://youtu.be/dmuyLIrSjxI[/video]

Vid description:
The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military. It is a strong millimeter-wave transmitter primarily used for crowd control (the "goodbye effect"). Some ADS systems such as HPEM ADS are also used to disable vehicles. Informally, the weapon is also called pain ray. Raytheon is currently marketing a reduced-range version of this technology. The ADS was being considered for deployment in the Iraq War

 

[Captain Kremmen]

The energy in that vehicle is stored in a battery.

That battery is charged by either
1. Burning fuel.
or
2. From a mains supply. Track that back, and fuel will be burned.

You can't simply generate energy from nothing

Interesting film by the way. Did none of those soldiers think that burning protesters was wrong?
Subject for a different thread perhaps.

 

[Read-Only]

Wait.. What the..?

Don't encourage it!:spank:

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And your theory is tantamount to a version that could be found on My Lil' Pony.

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I'll ermm pass this thread on to the higher up's for a review. This is bad for even for this sub-forum.

Please do! The only information in this thread of any value was posted by people other than the OP. And the OP is so smug in his/her ignorance as to be unreachable/unteachable.

 

[chung]

Please do! The only information in this thread of any value was posted by people other than the OP. And the OP is so smug in his/her ignorance as to be unreachable/unteachable.

The critical thinking that you should have gained in your science class was lost. Instead, science for you have become indoctrination.

Sad that you will tend to indoctrinate the next generation and condemn them when they question your dogma. When you lose your willingness to entertain contrary views, you will lose your chance for renaissance. You have become a priest of science!

 

[chung]

The energy in that vehicle is stored in a battery.

That battery is charged by either
1. Burning fuel.
or
2. From a mains supply. Track that back, and fuel will be burned.


You can't simply generate energy from nothing

Interesting film by the way. Did none of those soldiers think that burning protesters was wrong?
Subject for a different thread perhaps.

The said video illustrates the megalomania of military industrial complex trying to hijack science and weaponize new knowledge. I pity the middle eastern human beings who were subjected to the heat ray weapons, depleted uranium artillery and other exotic weaponized science they hijacked. (Also, don't forget all the trials they conducted on their very own soldiers.)


As for the need for a source of energy to always have to burn or consume something, I believe this point of view will hinder us from being effective space explorers. In such a paradigm, no ETs, no UFO can exist and no cheap alternative energy is possible. We may as well forgo investigating cold fusion, anti-gravity, zero point energy, time travel, anti-matter, dark energy and any other alternate paradigm.


Meanwhile here is a video about white hole that is supported by Einstein paradigm. If Einstein was on to something, can the sun be a white hole? Maybe it generates energy coming from the anti-matter realms.
[video=youtube_share;nyQe3IATM4Q]http://youtu.be/nyQe3IATM4Q[/video]

 

[billvon]

So is the insulation of vacuum flask and it is effectively proven.

If space were a true vacuum, you would be correct. However, as you yourself let slip, it is not a true vacuum. It is a NEAR vacuum.

The radiation is via a certain kind of wave/frequency that activates particle to create their heat.

Right. It is blackbody radiation

The source of frequency need not be a blazing furnace!

Also correct. The source of the blackbody radiation is the photosphere of the Sun, which is about 6000K. It's not a "furnace" in any sense of the word. It is kept hot by the fusion reactions that occur deeper within the Sun.

View again the video and see how frequency can create heat in certain materials without the source of frequency being a blazing furnace.

Again, right. It's not a "blazing furnace." You're not seeing flames. There is no oxygen with which to burn things. You are seeing the surface of a star that is so hot that it emits blackbody radiation.

 

[chung]

If space were a true vacuum, you would be correct. However, as you yourself let slip, it is not a true vacuum. It is a NEAR vacuum.

Near vacuum insulates against heat. The vacuum flask contains not nearly a vacuum insulation as the same volume of cosmic space and yet it is proven effective.


Right. It is blackbody radiation

Blackbody radiation is one concept. Here is another way heating can be done: Microwave and Radio Frequency Heating



Also correct. The source of the blackbody radiation is the photosphere of the Sun, which is about 6000K. It's not a "furnace" in any sense of the word. It is kept hot by the fusion reactions that occur deeper within the Sun.

What if it involves cold fusion? What if the sun consume anti-matter from a realm and then churns out a generation of waves in this realm? Are we going to restrict our investigation to energy generation that comes from burning?



Again, right. It's not a "blazing furnace." You're not seeing flames. There is no oxygen with which to burn things. You are seeing the surface of a star that is so hot that it emits blackbody radiation.

Again, we are receiving the waves that generate heat in the particles on the surface of the earth. Are these waves automatically coming from something hot?

 

[AlexG]

Yes.

 

[chung]

Sun Anomalous Objects

There is something that we don't yet understand regarding the sun. Some activities are even showing up on our monitors:
[video=youtube_share;LnSfOi2OsC4]http://youtu.be/LnSfOi2OsC4[/video]


Here is a guy who investigated activities from the sun:
[video=youtube_share;smVdDyvL3Ug]http://youtu.be/smVdDyvL3Ug[/video]

 

[chung]

Yes.

You are restricted to the kool-aid. You will never drink from the river of life.

 

[AlexG]

The videos are simply crank[sup]2[/sup].

 

[billvon]

Near vacuum insulates against heat.

Imperfectly, yes. Which is why most (but not all) of the heat we receive is radiated, not conducted.

Blackbody radiation is one concept. Here is another way heating can be done: Microwave and Radio Frequency Heating

Yes, that is another way it could be done. However, the Sun emits blackbody radiation, not microwave radiation. Here's a graph showing energy from the Sun compared to a "perfect" blackbody radiator:

What if it involves cold fusion?

Call it whatever you like. Hydrogen nuclei fuse together and generate helium and lots of energy.

Are we going to restrict our investigation to energy generation that comes from burning?

THERE IS NO BURNING. There is no furnace, no bonfire, no flames. There is fusion.

Again, we are receiving the waves that generate heat in the particles on the surface of the earth. Are these waves automatically coming from something hot?

Yes.

 

[origin]

This Chung guy isn't serious is he? How depressing...

 

[origin]

You are restricted to the kool-aid. You will never drink from the river of life.

Are you implying that you must be retarded to drink from the river of life? What continent is the river of life on anyway?

 

[chung]

The videos are simply crank[sup]2[/sup].

Have you already assumed they did not come from orbiting monitors? Have you already made your mind that they are fake?

Vatican is so concerned as to have a telescope named LUCIFER for monitoring the sun etc. You may get a clue that the sun worshiping elites know something we do not know.
[video=youtube_share;4_cqeaTE218]http://youtu.be/4_cqeaTE218[/video]

Here is an info about Vatican's astronomical efforts. I guess, it costs astronomical too.


POPE: "WE THANK GOD FOR THE SUN HE HAS GIVEN US"
[video=youtube_share;ybBMSYtmdgk]http://youtu.be/ybBMSYtmdgk[/video]

 

[chung]

Are you implying that you must be retarded to drink from the river of life? What continent is the river of life on anyway?

By insulting an honest effort to be a student of the universe, you have painted yourself retarted!

 

[chung]

Imperfectly, yes. Which is why most (but not all) of the heat we receive is radiated, not conducted.

Now you are beginning to acknowledged that is generated on our end and not from a flaming ball of furnace. Could it be the same to other farther planets like Neptune? Scientist were puzzled to find out heat generation on these planet not directly attributed to a flaming ball of furnace.


Yes, that is another way it could be done. However, the Sun emits blackbody radiation, not microwave radiation.

Why are you so sure about this blackbody? The wiki states that "A black body is an idealized physical body that absorbs all incident electromagnetic radiation, regardless of frequency or angle of incidence."

The sun is observedly more of a giver than an absorber of these electromagnetic radiation and frequencies.


Here's a graph showing energy from the Sun compared to a "perfect" blackbody radiator:

Let us examine the writeup that accompany the picture. Provide a link. Is it color temperature at the receiving end or obtained temperature from the source?


Call it whatever you like. Hydrogen nuclei fuse together and generate helium and lots of energy.

Cold Fusion - nuclear reaction that would occur at, or near, room temperature, compared with temperatures in the millions of degrees that is required for "hot" fusion.


THERE IS NO BURNING. There is no furnace, no bonfire, no flames. There is fusion.

At last. you acknowledge that the sun is not burning. Thanks for helping.


Yes.

Nope. These waves are not automatically coming from something hot.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

1. Vatican is so concerned as to have a telescope named LUCIFER for monitoring the sun etc.

2. POPE: "WE THANK GOD FOR THE SUN HE HAS GIVEN US"

1. This would be poor scholarship, as Lucifer is one of the names given to the "evening star", Venus.
I think there will be protestation against them using a name of the Devil for anything in the Vatican.
Perhaps they could name it after St Michael, who battled Lucifer.
Could you give a link to their giving a telescope this name.

2. You are joking, I think. Son, not Sun. It sounds similar in English, but not in Latin or Italian.

Added Later.
Regarding the Lucifer telescope, don't bother looking it up.
The Lucifer equipment is in Arizona, and so is the Vatican telescope that will be using it.

As Popular Science explains, LUCIFER is an acronym for the instruments lengthy title, “Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.” This instrument is attached to the University of Arizona’s Large Binocular Telescope (LBT) located on Mt. Graham in south eastern Arizona. The Vatican-owned Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) is right next door.

see http://www.openminds.tv/lucifer-is-helping-vatican-astronomers-look-for-extraterrestrials-970/

 

[chung]

1. This would be poor scholarship, as Lucifer is one of the names given to the "evening star", Venus.
I think there will be protestation against them using a name of the Devil for anything in the Vatican.
Perhaps they could name it after St Michael, who battled Lucifer.
Could you give a link to their giving a telescope this name.

Here is a link from simple google search: LUCIFER is helping Vatican astronomers

Will you be surprised if Satanism and Luciferianism are secretly practiced within the Vatican? I'm not.


2. You are joking, I think. Son, not Sun. It sounds similar in English, but not in Latin or Italian.

That is the finding of the videomaker. But finding Vatican and sun worship connection is not surprising to me. The Roman government that switched to RCC as the official religion were sun worshipers themselves.

 

[AlexG]

I see he's gone to posting in crank bold.