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[invert_nexus]

as we manage to 'see' in ways not necessarily determined by their design.

of course we do. We compensate for hardware problems with software. That's why you're not even aware of your blind spot.

But. Your blind spot is there. There's a huge whole in your perception. Just because you can't see it doesn't make it any better.

And what else does the software make up for? The fact that you only have clear vision in the fovea of your retina and that the rest of your vision only seems to be clear because of the software?

How about the lack of color vision outside of the fovea? Amazing that. That you only really see colors in a small portion of your vision but think that you see color everywhere.

There's a million and one little things that are weird about the human eye. Its defects made up for elsewhere.



How about we take a step back for a second. Ok?

Let's look at your question.
You want an explanation for the human eye.
Do you even realize how nonsensical that question is? What do you want explained about it? What 'evidence' are you looking for?
Do you want a 1000 page essay as an abstract for the outline of such an endeavor?

How about we start with one simple fact of the evolution of the eye? Ok?

Humans have three cones. Yes? Reptiles have four. Because of this, they can see in the ultraviolet. Did you know that? They can.

Not only this, but we only share two of our cones with them. And some of the earlier mammals only have two cones.

Here's the story. Early mammals were nocturnal. Color vision at night is not really very useful. So, a mutation or three caused the jettisoning of two of the cones.

Ok?

Well. A few million years later, mammals were diurnal as well as nocturnal. This means that those extra cones would come in handy. But, they were gone.
Well. A beneficial duplication duplicated one of the cones. Not a precise duplication, but one which reacts to a pretty similar bandwidth of frequencies. This isn't the best solution. Far from. But it works better than two.

So. Here we are.

You might also find it interesting to note that the duplicated gene was on the X chromosome. This is why its men who are more prone to color blindness. Because we only have one copy of the X. So if we get an X with a crappy cone gene that places the frequency spread too close to each other? We can't seperate colors very well.

Yay for the eye! Woohoo!

 

[invert_nexus]

What is it with atheists and tentacles?

Mmmm. Tentacles.

(A bit over the top? I tried to find a more sedate image of tentacle rape, but this was the most classy one I could find...)

 

[S.A.M.]

Mmmm. Tentacles.

(A bit over the top? I tried to find a more sedate image of tentacle rape, but this was the most classy one I could find...)

Oooh! I must say I find that strangely arousing! LMAO

 

[superluminal]

Whoa. I am completely done with you, superluminal. Not only did you miss the point, you didn't even try. The next time you try shredding an argument, make sure you understand what's being said.

I told you, your post was too long and involved. Especially today. I understand everything everyone says (except maybe Moshe Thezion). I choose to interpret as it suits me. You can't expect a detailed dissection of your posts every time. Maybe we should all try distilling our thoughts to less than eigh paragraphs.

As for being done with me... am I supposed to care?

 

[superluminal]

that's it? that's all you have to say about my question?

seeing as how science treats evolution and abiogenesis as different what is the evidence that atoms become alive? the plain and simple answer is that there is not one shred of evidence that supports that hypothesis. that is my biggest beef whith what is taught in our schools, our students are being misled into believing that science has solved the problem of how we got here.

Look, unless you are a mystic or a UFO nut, there's only one viable line of research for scientists - that life arose through some interesting biomolecular reactions. And there's evidence at least for the supporting players (amino acids) all throughoput the universe. What would you have us do? Just leave the idea as some kind of drifting dust mote of fuzzy thinking? We teach our kids (or try to ) that life arose from the prebiotic "soup" because it's almost certain that it did. It's a good idea. A good place to start from. Sheesh.

 

[superluminal]

from your link:

"How did eyes evolve? Darwin, the great English naturalist who first brought the systematic explanatory power of evolution to bear on the bewildering biological complexity of our planet, felt that eyes offered a special challenge to evolutionary thinking because they are such '...organs of extreme perfection and complication...' (1859). He was quite explicit on this point, saying '...that the eye....could have been formed by natural selection seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree'. More than a century later, with new insights that reach from molecular to macroscopic levels of analysis, new mysteries reinforce Darwin's prescient writing. We still have much to learn from the evolution of eyes, both about the existing eyes as well as the processes of evolution that produced them"

Thank you for supporting my view

Hey ToR, read the part you put in red. Get a book, and take his advice. LEarn.

 

[superluminal]

bit of blah blah but interesting so included it all.

So, the point being that the eye is a fairly poorly "designed" camera and the brain is the master computer/interpreter of what this camera captures. We know this. The rest of it... Blah. blah.

 

[Woody]

I make a perfectly scientific post on human behavior with no obscenities, no opinions, only factual data. Alas my thread is locked up because the facts are not "politically correct". This is not a science forum, it is a joke.

 

[superluminal]

I make a perfectly scientific post on human behavior with no obscenities, no opinions, only factual data. Alas my thread is locked up because the facts are not "politically correct". This is not a science forum, it is a joke.

Come on woody. You didn't really expect anything else on that one did you? You could have easily made your point without the disgusting graphics, eh?

 

[Huwy]

how is the bible "data"

when it contains absurd fiction like the very first chapter, genesis?

 

[(Q)]

are you saying theists and woo woo's should have no interest in science?

If they did, they wouldn't be theists and woo woo's.

Science evolved greatly thanks to theists, many scientists are theists, thus you are (as usual) you and your gfriend Mad woman talking crap.

Oh yes, let's thank all the wonderful theists for all the science they've given us. Huzzah!

Do pop along to her thread and defend the fact that theists have no place in a science forum.

Is that what you think, that they have no place here? Why do you say that? I'm sure many would disagree with you.

 

[(Q)]

my IQ of 155

You mistakenly placed a (1) in front of your IQ.

 

[(Q)]

Oh and I have studied evolution I know all about bats for example and little finches

It is the wonder of evolution that convinces me more that evolution itself was designed and beautifully beautifuly so.

Funny, they don't mention teaching evolution at the dream analysis school? How did you manage to fit all that in to a one week course?

Designing evolution is like rolling a truckload of dice hoping they'll all come up boxcars.

 

[Woody]

Come on woody. You didn't really expect anything else on that one did you? You could have easily made your point without the disgusting graphics, eh?

Nobody was required to look at the data, and they were appropriately warned not to go if they couldn't stomach it. Unfortunately it is reality. Nobody said it was pretty. Nobody said anybody should enjoy it, except James R. Might I give a direct quote from James R:

Woody,

Realise that sciforums is not a sex site. If you enjoy viewing these kinds of sex acts, please find a more appropriate forum to endulge yourself.

"If I enjoy viewing"...... well HA HA. Like nobody here knows I am a christian. Ha ha ha.

I posted a link not a picture. This place is a kinder garten.

Here is one of my deleted pictures:

[deleted]

Why is this picture a problem for a science community?

THis place is an absolute joke. I don't belong here.

 

[Woody]

how is the bible "data"

when it contains absurd fiction like the very first chapter, genesis?

That's your opinion -- unless you were here when the universe was created. Where did the universe come from?

The Big Bang doesn't answer this question.

 

[invert_nexus]

I don't belong here.

I don't care if it hurts.
I wanna have control.
I wanna perfect body.
I wanna perfect soul.

I want you to notice.
When I'm not around.
You're so fucking special.
I wish I was special.

But, I'm a creep.
I'm a weirdo.
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here.

I don't belong here.



Woody,

You know the score.
What's there to bitch about?
In this forum, you and the god-obsessed atheists go head to head.
That's the way it works.
That's the way it's always worked.
That's the way it will always work.

You've been here a long time.
Seems like you really don't mind it or you would have left a long time ago.

 

[leopold]

We teach our kids (or try to ) that life arose from the prebiotic "soup" because it's almost certain that it did. It's a good idea. A good place to start from. Sheesh.

yes, that true, our children are taught that things become alive when in fact THERE IS NO EVIDENCE for such an assumption.
when it comes to what our children are taught science should be a man about it and say we do not know how life arose.

this whole scenario reminds me of a car wreck and a sciemtist sees it and says a drunk driver caused it when in fact he hasn't a clue as to the cause.

 

[Woody]

I don't care if it hurts.
I wanna have control.
I wanna perfect body.
I wanna perfect soul.

I want you to notice.
When I'm not around.
You're so fucking special.
I wish I was special.

But, I'm a creep.
I'm a weirdo.
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here.

I don't belong here.



Woody,

You know the score.
What's there to bitch about?
In this forum, you and the god-obsessed atheists go head to head.
That's the way it works.
That's the way it's always worked.
That's the way it will always work.

You've been here a long time.
Seems like you really don't mind it or you would have left a long time ago.

What is pornographic about the picture I supplied (look at my previous post)? Butchered by James R. Look at it good and then give me a scientific answer, not a James "politically correct" R answer.

It was CENSORED in another thread. So much for freedom of speech. This place is prison.

 

[invert_nexus]

It's not pornographic, but it's gross and brutal.
You could have simply supplied a link with a warning that those with tender stomachs should not clicky.

Anyway. Why are you talking about that in here? This thread is about the evolution of the human eye!

 

[S.A.M.]

I don't care if it hurts.
I wanna have control.
I wanna perfect body.
I wanna perfect soul.

I want you to notice.
When I'm not around.
You're so fucking special.
I wish I was special.

But, I'm a creep.
I'm a weirdo.
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here.

I don't belong here.

Is that the PC way of calling one a Creep?