Let’s see how you handle the expansion scenario.
We can only speculate how ever expansion is an atribute of this universe..it had what we perceive as a start and that means it presumably will have an end caused somewhat by the expansion if you follow the idea associated with speculation as to the end of the universe...so this universe starts and ends and restarts with a new bid bang...all we need is a cycle...certainly more reasonable than requiring a eternal creator...
How did evolution form mankind,
Evolution deals only with elvolution it does not comment on how life formed..
But we know all that and it would not surprise me t
o find humans creating life in the near future.
Your attempt to replace God, with an eternal universe has not gone unnoticed
By who.
Its ok to argue along there is there is not approach but now that I come forward with what must present as a dangerous idea I have been noticed... does that mean I am now a target being a thinker and maybe should be dealt with before I give the brainwasher mob an idea that could bring down the empire of lies and myth.
Thats the way the religions approach things isnt it...think what you like so long as you agree there is a god...
I know ...dont rock the boat or the god believers will get you.
Its a reality I realise is true.
My idea is indeed dangerous because it seems more likely to be true than the made up notion of an eternal creator who popped out of eternity to create a finite universe all for his little pet humans who of course he just happened to make in his image...I do think an eternal universe with out the need of a made up creator is facing the most plausible reality.
As I said...choice one is a finite universe with an eternal creator who treats humans special or choice two we merely live in an eternal universe that needs no creation.
Choice two fits observation.
People find it difficult to comprehend that the universe could be eternal yet some how think an eyernal god raises no problems..reflects the lack of thought on the matter only.
It seems you are not content with being an atheist, you must dominate the very essential qualities of what it means to be a theist.
I am just a mug Jan dominating is not my thing.
Can you see how absurd your ideology is?
I offer two choices one most reasonable and one requiring a made up creator existing forever who came out to make humans that look like him...if my choice is absurd where does that leave a selection of a choce in favour of a creator...each can make their own judgement as I think the reasonable non god making humans that look like him simply is so unreasonable it is a non contest.
“Even atheists seem to fear a higher power...”
Their problem not mine.
Superstition is so woven into our society and culture is it any wonder that even an atheist is still capable of being infected by the problem.
Did you not read what I wrote.
Killing is an aspect of the universe.
Jan I read all you write and go to great effort to make sure I understand what you say.
It is you perhaps that is not following all I propose.
So we have a creator who built everything and therefore has the ability to make things in anyway he pleases...just for a novel approach why not build the universe kinder and hard wire humans not to kill...if you actually think about what I am saying you could ask...well why not.
It is so simple ... we are creating a universe with look like god humans...lets just make their brains incapable of thinking of killing or being cruel...that must be easy for a god..well of course it is you know it I know it...but to make an excuse we need free will...sure.
Because we wouldn’t be human beings anymore.
Of course we would still be human...we are hard wired not chew off our arms or legs...still human..taking the choice away not to eat ourselves does not hint at being less human nor does being hard wired not to kill.
Free will is such bs particularly when so many believe prophesy is real...for prophesy to exist means free will can not exist.
I have to go again and follow up later however Jan may I say I really do appreciate the manner you are dealing with me...you have not been evasive or tricky and so it is a pleasure to have our discussion and I thank you.
Alex