The Phoenix lights - aliens, hoax or mistaken identity?

[Magical Realist]

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I'm going to have to step in here and ask a simple question, and dammit, I want an answer...

How is what Bells posted a "non response"? She gave you quotes of the people who were in the aircraft... the fact that eye-witness reports are inconsistent at best (and generally simply contradictory)

Sorry, but no - the bullshit isn't coming from Bells - this entire crazy thread stinks of desperation and insanity.

Why don't you actually read the thread before contributing absolutely nothing to it. The pilots are those who flew the A10's, approximately 45min to an hour AFTER the first event of the orange orbs and the boomerang craft. Why is this so hard to grasp? A squadron of flare-dropping planes
flying 60 miles south of Phoenix is NOT going to be an explanation of lights seen over Phoenix an hour to 2 hours prior. They're just not. So ofcourse this is bullshit. It's the same old bullshit story that was put out by the military 3 months after this incident in an attempt to explain away the first event. It didn't. It was just further proof the military was covering this incident over with lies and ruses. And for the record, if you don't like this thread, then talk to James R. He's the one who started it.

the fact that eye-witness reports are inconsistent at best (and generally simply contradictory)

LOL! Have you even read any of the eyewitness reports? Let me guess. Nope. The general consensus is that there were orange orbs flying in Vee formation early on, like from 7:45 to 8:00 and then a large boomerang craft that flew about 1000 feet overhead and blacked out the stars. I have cited around 30 accounts in this thread so far. Who says they saw planes? None of them.

 

[Kittamaru]

I'm sorry, I forgot you were allergic to logic... my bad.

 

[Magical Realist]

I'm sorry, I forgot you were allergic to logic... my bad.

Another non-response.

 

[Kittamaru]

Another non-response.

It's fitting for this thread - a cesspool of illogical fallacy, irresponsible leaps of faith, and general lack of good judgement...

 

[Magical Realist]

It's fitting for this thread - a cesspool of illogical fallacy, irresponsible leaps of faith, and general lack of good judgement...

You're obsessed with cesspools and stinky things. Why is that?

 

[Kittamaru]

I guess moderating this sub-forum has rubbed off on me a bit - after all, one cannot keep clean hands when dealing all day with refuse...

 

[Magical Realist]

I guess moderating this sub-forum has rubbed off on me a bit - after all, one cannot keep clean hands when dealing all day with refuse...

You and a few trolls here seem to be the only ones who view on-topic threads in the ghost/ufo/monster subforum as "refuse." What kind of threads are you expecting for this subforum? Gardening tips?

 

[zgmc]

It's fitting for this thread - a cesspool of illogical fallacy, irresponsible leaps of faith, and general lack of good judgement...

You're supposed to be the moderator here? If you wish to refute any of the information that has been posted, why don't you do that instead of throwing out insults?

 

[Kittamaru]

You and a few trolls here seem to be the only ones who view on-topic threads in the ghost/ufo/monster subforum as "refuse." What kind of threads are you expecting for this subforum? Gardening tips?

Gardening tips would be a nice change of pace, rather than getting more and more grainy-shady videos that may or may not have been edited from uncertain sources being passed off as alien phenomena...

You're supposed to be the moderator here? If you wish to refute any of the information that has been posted, why don't you do that instead of throwing out insults?

Read through the past threads - it gets refuted, it dies for a few days/weeks, then gets revived with the exact same "evidence" as before.

 

[Magical Realist]

Gardening tips would be a nice change of pace, rather than getting more and more grainy-shady videos that may or may not have been edited from uncertain sources being passed off as alien phenomena...

So you have a problem with videos of ufos in the ufo subforum now? Since when?

Read through the past threads - it gets refuted, it dies for a few days/weeks, then gets revived with the exact same "evidence" as before.

We're talking about only one thread here, the one you obviously haven't read. At no point have the eyewitness accounts of the Phoenix ufo been refuted, debunked, discredited, or disproven. Just spurious accusations against them of wanting to be on the news or "misremembering" what happened.

 

[Kittamaru]

So you have a problem with videos of ufos in the ufo subforum now? Since when?

*shakes head*

I have a problem with unfounded claims with no good supporting evidence and random statements being passed off as fact that brook no room for debate or discussion when the evidence is so poor quality and of such a distorted view that its impossible to make any kind of accurate conclusion on that basis... that's the largest issue with "UFO Sightings" overall... they are almost exclusively captured at low fps, low resolution, and from terrible vantage points. That does not discount the possibility, of course, but making an entire argument around that as your centerpiece is folly at best!

 

[Magical Realist]

*shakes head*

I have a problem with unfounded claims with no good supporting evidence and random statements being passed off as fact that brook no room for debate or discussion when the evidence is so poor quality and of such a distorted view that its impossible to make any kind of accurate conclusion on that basis... that's the largest issue with "UFO Sightings" overall... they are almost exclusively captured at low fps, low resolution, and from terrible vantage points. That does not discount the possibility, of course, but making an entire argument around that as your centerpiece is folly at best!

If you knew anything about this thread, you'd know the argument has centered around the eyewitness accounts and not a video. Nearly all the videos of the Phoenix lights are of the flare dropping incident. None have been posted here to my knowledge.

 

[Kittamaru]

Okay, answer me this then - looking at these videos... if the lights from a supposed craft were as bright as were seen, and were attached to a craft of some kind... why can we neither:

A) see any part of the craft (including the lighting ports) illuminated by said lights
B) see any silhouette of the craft against the sky
C) see any signature of a craft on the FLIR images/videos you have posted?

Too many inconsistencies...

 

[Magical Realist]

Okay, answer me this then - looking at these videos... if the lights from a supposed craft were as bright as were seen, and were attached to a craft of some kind... why can we neither:

A) see any part of the craft (including the lighting ports) illuminated by said lights
B) see any silhouette of the craft against the sky
C) see any signature of a craft on the FLIR images/videos you have posted?

Too many inconsistencies...

What "videos" are you talking about? I haven't posted any videos of the Phoenix craft because there are none. Only videos of the flares.

 

[Kittamaru]

So... when you posted this link:

http://www.kpho.com/story/24972073/the-phoenix-lights-the-mystery-remains#ixzz3K9sRyWLv

You were ignoring the video entirely?

And I apologize - the other one I was looking at wasn't posted by you, my mistake.

 

[Magical Realist]

So... when you posted this link:

http://www.kpho.com/story/24972073/the-phoenix-lights-the-mystery-remains#ixzz3K9sRyWLv

You were ignoring the video entirely?

And I apologize - the other one I was looking at wasn't posted by you, my mistake.

The video shows only the flares dropped that night. Like I said, that's all the videos ever show. I obviously wasn't posting THAT video by posting that link. That doesn't prove anything.

 

[Kittamaru]

Then my original point stands: Where is the video of these events? If they are so "well known", why is there no good quality video?

 

[Magical Realist]

Then my original point stands: Where is the video of these events? If they are so "well known", why is there no good quality video?

One video was confiscated by men in black. No other videos have turned up. Would you think to run to get your video cam when a football field sized craft silently glides over your house?

 

[zgmc]

One video was confiscated by men in black. No other videos have turned up. Would you think to run to get your video cam when a football field sized craft silently glides over your house?

I doubt I would even be thinking about taking a video.

 

[Kittamaru]

One video was confiscated by men in black. No other videos have turned up. Would you think to run to get your video cam when a football field sized craft silently glides over your house?

Yes, yes I would. Because otherwise, I know nobody would even begin to believe me.

Then again, my cell phone records 1080p HD video at 35fps, or 720p at 60fps so... that would work too. It's when the "proof" is videos that look like they were recorded on an old Nokia 7650 phone well...