It was post reply to ElectricFetus question
Why not both? Of course it won't be protecting much freedom if the government decides to VX us all.
You justhave....
I just have what?
The Muslim Ban Has Begun!
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It was post reply to ElectricFetus question
Why not both? Of course it won't be protecting much freedom if the government decides to VX us all.
You justhave....
I just have what?
exactly! well done...
So what happens if Trump > Steve Bannon > DHS tells the courts to go F themselves?
DHS will continue to enforce Trump's travel ban
The Department of Homeland Security issued a statement early Sunday saying that they plan on continuing to “enforce all of the president’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people.”
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“The president’s executive orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety,” the statement said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html
Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.
The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/
No matter what else is said, you have to admit this is extremely interesting to follow - stay tuned!The Department of Homeland Security issued a statement early Sunday saying that they plan on continuing to “enforce all of the president’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people.”
...
“The president’s executive orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety,” the statement said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html
Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.
The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/
Who knew politics would be more entertaining than cage fighting with topless females (joke
)I watched a reply to this question on the American news channels
It appears that Trump trumps the judges who apparently in past rulings have upheld the President rule
Part because he is the boss and it is not the job of the court to second guess the boss and it is NOT for the judge to make laws or negate laws but to apply laws to the situation before the court
The current hold is to give time for the ragged edges of the ban to be made tidy and clarified
Has the public ever demonstrated such vehement opposition to a president before on such a scale?
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Sure, Nixon.
The "public" that you are seeing now however is mainly those that didn't vote for him. Those that did aren't demonstrating at this point. After all, he just got elected.
Many Presidents step up to the job as the magnitude of the job becomes felt. I don't see Trump doing that however.
thanks!
GOOD NEW EVERYBODY!
https://archive.is/bKKVU
"US judge blocks deportations under Trump's Muslim ban
Ruling temporarily ends detention of travellers with valid visas and prohibits their removal from the US."
https://archive.is/bKKVU
"US judge blocks deportations under Trump's Muslim ban
Ruling temporarily ends detention of travellers with valid visas and prohibits their removal from the US."
Thought ruling temporarily stopped deportation but did not prohibit detention
That would make sense
It would also might have made sense to give a very short (my ball park figure would be 10 hours) leeway before order took effect
This would have catered for those in transit without giving bad guys time to organise a trip into America
Granted it would still be a hassle for those with visa's intending to return some time after the order began to be implemented but thems the breaks
Anyone know how it affects aliens who became citizens (without dual citizenship)?
Admittedly those who have valid visas might need to submit to a more extensive vetting which arguably should have already been in place
I did hear scant news items about some of those early detainees have elected to voluntary return to their departure point
No comment here until further information becomes available
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Michael 345,
If this ban is to prevent entry of terrorist into the nation why is Saudi Arabia not on the list?
If this ban is to prevent entry of terrorist into the nation why is Saudi Arabia not on the list?
It is exactly the job of the court to second guess the boss. That is its job description. That's what "apply laws" means, to a judge.
That appears to be an honest question.
Apparently, Trump voters find it reasonable to imagine a US President having an American citizen walking down the street seized by agents of the INS, bundled off incommunicado into a detainment center at Gitmo, interrogated there by waterboarding and "much worse", and then evicted from the country to a location of the President's choosing,
on his sayso, no trial or anything of the kind.
To prevent terrorism, apparently.
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I can only repeat a explanation given on news reports
The 7 countries listed are war zones with no central government with records on the population of the country
Without records none of the counties population can provide proof of their status
Without proof of who you are sorry no entry
Just on the news as I am typing
NO FOREIGN NATIONAL HAS A AUTOMATIC RIGHT OF ENTRY TO THE US
RIGHT OF ENTRY RESIDES WITH THE GOVERNMENT
Further a person just giving information the 7 countries account for 7% of the worlds supposed group being targeted
Didn't I say 'apply' in my post
Apply laws as they stand
Not second guess the boss by 'I think he means' thought bubbles
Total Cowplatma flight of fancy
Wait, Iran has no central government and is a war zone? Maybe your saying Iran has no records on there population? They got birth certificates, licenses, voting registration, medical records, criminal records, etc, what fucking more do you think is necessary?
Irrelevant!
Woo woo wait that only 7% of terrorists?