Simon Anders
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Predestination. No free will.God does exist and He is Omniscient. Knowing the beginning and the end just as the scriptures reveal.
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The Logistics of Knowing Everything
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I never said any cause me to fear.
Fear is an obvious token of perdition to ones adversaries.
Perfect love...
However, if we assume your theory is correct...I said one should be careful what they desire.
For those desires would find them out and leave them caught in the web of their own deceit.
There are things impossible for men, but with God all things are possible.
It's been asked before..."why has Thou made me thus?"
There is a way predestination and free-will coexist.
The one will take you to the other.
Desire the right things...the things of God.
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Adstar, believing is not a birthright. I think even God knows that.
Omniscience does not include knowing what's going to happen to something you created? Anybody can claim there's a beginning or end. By your words, even God doesn't really know the circumstances, just that the universe began and will end...I can buy that.
I think what you're trying to tell me is that Jesus was a result of God not knowing the future. So the question is: if God doesn't know the future how does He know if introducing Jesus will work? God's intervention was a hope He must have had that things will get better since He doesn't know. Even the Bible and all things religious would fall into that category. If God doesn't know then how do you know?
Good, God knows what might happen. God's words are no guarantee however which means there is a possibility that God is wrong.
None of the Bible's future events can be taken seriously. By your admission, God does not know them. God then, must have known mistakes of His doing were bound to emerge.
I think people dwell too much on God's existence. I'll say it again, all one has to do is say yes or no to God. That's it, there is no punishment if one is wrong about their choice. Put religion and God to bed and move on.
But there was always the possibility that you turned schitzophranic before you finished typing what you thought you wanted to type, but instead carried on and typed as much as tiassa usualy does.
peace.
davewhite04
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Yorda seems to know his mind, which is free will, he knew he would stop nobody else did (except for God).
Sorry for interrupting.
Sorry for interrupting.
No, i am not telling you that Jesus was a result of God not knowing the future. All the rest of your statement above that stems from that conclusion is therefore irrelevant..
God knows exactly what will happen because He knows the start and the end. And God is perfect and His creation will end up playing a part in the solution He wants.
There is eternal punishment if one rejects the Messiah Jesus for the atonement of ones sins. You can move on if you like, but you will end up at the same last judgement, as we all will.
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Jesus was born out of wedlock. How can you respect someone like that ?
Will his parents end up in the Lke of Fire for their sin ?
Wedlock is for a union between a human man and a human woman.
Since there was no sexual union between Joseph and Mary then Jesus was not born out of wedlock. And no sin was committed He was brought into being by the power of God. Mary was a virgin.
This is basic Christian doctrine. I am sure you knew that.
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How can you be sure that Joseph didn't get his leg over, or that Mary didn't have a bit on the side ?
if 'god' is omniscient, he knows his mind, and he knows every action he's going to make, doesn't that mean that he has no free will?
the bible seems to indicate that sex is a sin. that's why jesus had to be born without them having sex, because that was the only way he could be without sin.
davewhite04
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God has a plan for this universe and He is following it through. If having and working within a plan can be classed as no free will then I guess you got the answer you wanted.
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M*W: Woe is Mary! (But she didn't exist anyway, so there's no problema as I see it)!
At least God waited until she was old enough to breed. God would only need one sperm wouldn't He?
The Bible proclaims that sex within the confines of marriage is not sin.
Jesus being brought into physical existence by the power of God ensured that he did not inherit the curse of sin that had been acquired when mankind gained the knowledge of good and evil.
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Simon Anders
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But Jesus did have sex and he was born of sex.
Simon Anders
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No predestination and free will
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If God knows the end, then he knows what you will do. That is what I meant and that is the obvious implication of what you said.
And that is all?
According to the Bible, it is then allright for married men to treat their wives as sexual toilettes - because, hey, it's sex "within the confines of marriage".