The Honor of Seppeku
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so to observe bushido and then combine the western beliefs of being born bad (of/with sin), would that mean each should honorably discharge as kaishaku upon each child, to maintain honor of the family?
lot's of tricky items within beliefs but i find the personal responsibility quite enlightening.
Some ideas simply don't combine well.
so to observe bushido and then combine the western beliefs of being born bad (of/with sin), would that mean each should honorably discharge as kaishaku upon each child, to maintain honor of the family?
lot's of tricky items within beliefs but i find the personal responsibility quite enlightening.
i don't think you need to add in bushido, Christianity leaves open the following sacrifice.....
A very loving person, not wanting innocent to become corrupt, kills babies right after they are baptized/christened
so they go directly to heaven. I mean, what could be better?
None of them has a chance to be tempted by Satan.
Of course this person knows he will go to Hell, which is where the sacrifice comes in.
But he can rest assured that he reduced the number of souls that ended up in Hell. 1 goes to hell and many others that would have become corrupted do not.
You could also see it as taking responsibility for fate, since often the 'failure' was not a 'failure'. Loss to overwhelming forces, for example.
and Doreen is proving the point
ie... which belief to question; the idea of being born bad (down right stupid) or the idea of honor unto death? (responsible to existence of one's self with absolute intent)
removing the belief, each is born bad!
each is just as capable as any satan.
ie... false witnessing is EVIL!
note the difference? in seppku, the individual is personally responsible for their actions, in other beliefs (like you representing) each is not responsible for what they do, and some satan did it....
huge difference!
Wow!
what is hell?
is that the place where a mind wonders when having no clue and suffering the whole time?
Neither. They are for the individual to decide, so long as they intrude upon no one else.
doreen, have you ever read genesis?
Gen 3:22
And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --
that was the day of choice
since then, each is responsible
and to follow the rules, it is easy
believing someone is controlling you, is being controlled by them
Gen 3:22
And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --
that was the day of choice
since then, each is responsible
and to follow the rules, it is easy
believing someone is controlling you, is being controlled by them
makes sense...... believe as you will
(but in that; no false witnessing (causing a loss to the common) just because you can)
ie..... notice the honor of seppeku: they maintain them 'beliefs' and follow the rules as absolute; kind of being honorable to ANY god!
Define 'false witnessing', how you would identify same, and what steps should be taken against those who are guilty of 'false witness'.
stating something as true which is not
ie... claiming someone walked on water and not seeing it, is a lie!
any can believe what they want, but to say i believe in Jesus and he walked on water, so i have my proof; is WRONG!
sure any can believe it, but witnessing is the wrong.... you can believe what you wish that substantiated YOUR belief, but NON, not a ONE has a right to false witness, just because others do, period!
that is a tough one
me personally, if someone knows they are wrong, then of compassion, they must can seek to be forgiven by them harmed
God will not, does not and never forgives as what each do, does exist and does live. It is that each can HOPE what they did, does not live on beyond what they did. (ie... a lie can live for thousands of years and harm many for generations)
WE the people are who impose to existence 'good and bad' as nature never does evil (in choice)
what to do with the bad?
i cannot wish, and all will "wake up" and i also know many will not forgive
God is of time; each bad will fade to extinction over HIS time but be certain, what was seen in them old works, will be as horrid as it was said (brother against brother, nation against nation; it will be beyond ugly and in many ways, i wish not to see any of it)
ie.... that means you best hope i am wrong as much as i do!
Isn't ritual suicide honorable, because your family won't be burdened with someone who has committed such a dishonorable act. So you are sparing your family's honor right? Or have I been watching to many movies?
How do you know?
And what if they continue to hold beliefs that are wrong, in your opinion? What if these beliefs are harmful? Say, if someone thinks someone else walked on water or something.
How do you know this? What if I consider your belief in an eternally angry God false witness? In fact, it is: you have not witnessed any such God.
simple common sense
ie... did you see it? NO... then you can't be on the witness stand!
simple!
see the example of the last couple thousand years.
the divide, the wars, the abuse of 'lying'
then a lot of people will continue to drown until the doo doo hits the fan
ie.... the mount falls, then people will realize much of what was said, is/was deep in poppy cop
galileo was just recently vindicated after almost 500 yrs of BS......... and the ONLY reason was, the LIE could not be covered any further.
common sense.....
life's that evolve, continue
them that didn't went extinct
pretty basic
i never said what you just did.......
i am looking at reality....... Hitler is dead, right...but many still hate em because of what HE did WHILE upon the earth, even to this day......
not a human being you ever even heard of that had their action UNDONE from existence.......
that is where you are wrong; i know existence itself is GOD (my creator, my father, the boss, the final judge, the beginning/ending.... etc etc etc....)
that means, all that is, is him and all knowledge, works, magic, miracles, stars, galaxies, life and death is within, of and is HIM itself.
you may think god is some separate entity in some far away places; i don't
i read the literature of all four corners of mankind and see, they all have been pointing at him the whole time and like Einstein himself, i found the conclusion;
"i believe he is the garden, and i have been trying to catch him at his work"
I do not witness, holding GOD as some thing, i see GOD in all that is, and we just within HIS existence defining ITSELF.
ie..... i can actually claim, "my" God created all Gods within the body of mankinds words.
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Except that common sense isn't the best guide to reality.
If you don't know that you should keep quiet.
"Recently vindicated"?
Where the hell have you been for the last few hundred years?
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Hmm. Okay.
Okaaay - and what then? What if these people - who apparently hold whatever belief because they are liars - keep on lying? What to do with them? And which ones are lying?
That doesn't answer my question. How do you know there's a God and that He's as vindictive as you say?
No, you don't: you just suppose He exists. You haven't got any proof for Him, or any proof that He's as mean as you say He is. Have you witnessed this God of yours? When? Where? What's his pants look like?
In fact...you seem to be bearing false witness, according to your rules. Frankly, they seem a bit specious in the believability department: you're bent out of shape because you say that a man can't walk on water, but then you seem to think that it's more believable that God can create everything, including people who can't walk on water and deer that eat fish heads. Your disapproval is a bit selective for being so vehement.
don't ask me, as i would not protect a criminal either
any false witnessing
God is the "existence" i experience, that i can witness. (all that i can experience)
And existence is not a HIM/HER separate entity holding a grudge yet any action imposed to existence is upon it (God)
who is 'vindictive' but a human being?
Sorry charlie......
i know mother nature, personally (so do you) (you will eat, sleep, breath, live and die, within)
sure, what i experience............ nothing more, nothing less. (each is equally capable)
in all that is....... I witness existence 'everyday'!
all that you see, is within Mother nature (existence) and you should know by now that life EVOLVED (just witnessing your own evidence) and that all that exists, is associated, as well anything and everything that is of existence is what you have to witness during your period of choice
i never said God was some dude on a thrown in some far away place with lightning bolts his hands (them created images)
i see GOD as 'all mass, all energy and all time".............and you know that too!
i don't do magic
either evidence has causality behind it, or the occurance is not understood
basic
i don't believe anyone has the right to represent what they cannot define
so i can define GOD, as all of existence and support it with not only reason but a gazillion renditions within beliefs/literature/theology
and the funniest part of it all, is the truth, the underlying principle, the combining frame mathematically came from seeking 'the light'
(what energy itself is and how life exists upon mass); the light
ie.. that is what brings it all together..... light is the energy between all mass....
mass is just energy in time
and the process of how mass, energy (light) and time (the trinity) associate (the transition) is definable in math (the last word)
and i claim, to comprehend the math of how the trinity works is how to realize the 'name of God' (the defining of the process)
as it truly is EQUAL to all MANKIND!