"The Great Flood"

static76

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What are your thoughts on the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. I occasionally hear about some discovery every once in a while, that lends credibility to the story. But have never seen any good evidence on it either way.

Was a great flood possible, and if so, how do we proof it to be true or false? :bugeye:
 
Been claims here and there. Some were hoaxes and others were people finding a bunch of wood on a mountainside and getting overexcited.

Minor floods occur after every Ice Age. ("minor" means encompassing areas the size of a couple of counties or maybe a small state) An endless ocean like is described in the legend hasn't happened in billions of years. (since continent forming began) If it happened now every continent would have to be sunken into the mantel of the earth by a mile or so. If that did happen it wouldn't be reversable.
 
Interesting. So if there was really a Great Flood, it would of been local and not Worldwide.
 
Most likely. To someone floating in the middle of it the water certainly might have looked like it went on forever though. Water would have just poured into their valley and filled it in a few days. That isn't to say there couldn't have been an ark though.
 
It's stories like this that make me wonder, http://www.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/09/13/great.flood.finds.ap/
Columbia University researchers William Ryan and Walter Pittman speculated in their 1997 book "Noah's Flood" that when the European glaciers melted, about 7,000 years ago, the Mediterranean Sea overflowed into what was then a smaller freshwater lake to create the Black Sea.
Is this good science or just book hype?
 
I wouldn't be able to say without reading the book and looking at the supporting evidence. From what I see he has some reasonably good evidence so its not ALL hype. Also would have to check with a topography map with marked elevations to see if any features would be in the way. Such things have happened before.
 
Originally posted by static76
Interesting. So if there was really a Great Flood, it would of been local and not Worldwide.
The story may possibly reference a single very large, but not global, flood but it also may simply be a generalization of many floods. Vast areas continue to flood on a somewhat regular basis today we just don’t explain it with, ‘The people of the Mississippi valley were very bad so God caused the Mississipi riverbanks to overflow and kill them all.’

But it would make for an interesting newscast wouldn't it? :)

~Raithere
 
"The folk-memory of an actual flood may have contributed to the story, but there is no geological evidence of a flood of such magnitude as that described in Genesis . . . Archaeologists have found 'clean water clay' in several areas of the Tigris-Euphrates valley, and this may be evidence of considerable local flooding having taken place at a number of times."

-Old Testament Illustrations, The Cambridge Bible Commentary
 
I don't believe that would test our faith, but our ability to think.
 
Note also that at the time Genesis was written what was considered the whole world was but a fraction of the real world.
 
The flood story is older than the Old Testament, being mentioned first in summerian texts (approx. 6000-7000 years old). A flood may occur either locally, or can be of global proportions if is generated by a cosmic event, as the Earth passing through the tail of a comet (mostly water and frozen dust); the length of the mentioned flood (40 days) may suggest the second, cosmic alternative. In depest archeological diggings - present Iraq (=Summer), a layer of aluvional sediment was constantly found at approx (not sure) 10 meters deep, this at different locations.
 
Originally posted by cornelius
A flood may occur either locally, or can be of global proportions if is generated by a cosmic event, as the Earth passing through the tail of a comet (mostly water and frozen dust); the length of the mentioned flood (40 days) may suggest the second, cosmic alternative. In depest archeological diggings - present Iraq (=Summer), a layer of aluvional sediment was constantly found at approx (not sure) 10 meters deep, this at different locations.
Stop this silliness. Get sure and get back to us - perhaps after reading This. :D
 
ConsequentAtheist/THIS:
5500 BC: Europe;

5500 BC: Reported Mid-Holocene flooding of Baltic Sea by Meditteranean waters. Authors of forthcoming geological report suggest that this may be related to the Sumerian/biblical flood, though this claim is disputed by ancient Near East scholars who believe that the location is too remote from Mesopotamia. Other cultural consequences of the event are said to be spreading of agriculture to Europe.

#494.

Time is fitting, and the dispute is not the Mesopotamia flood, but the one in Baltics.
 
The end of the Cold War enabled Ryan and Pitman to team up with oceanographers from Bulgaria and Russia, as well as Turkey, to explore the Black Sea. Using sound waves and coring devices to probe the sea floor, they discovered clear evidence that this inland body of water had once been a vast freshwater lake lying hundreds of feet below the level of the world's rising oceans. Sophisticated dating techniques confirmed that 7,600 years ago the mounting seas had burst through the narrow Bosporus valley, and the salt water of the Mediterranean had poured into the lake with unimaginable force, racing over beaches and up rivers, destroying or chasing all life before it. The margins of the lake, which had been a unique oasis, a Garden of Eden for an advanced culture in a vast region of semidesert, became a sea of death. The people fled, never to return.

. . .

Could the people who fled the Black Sea Flood and their descendants have preserved for thousands of years the stories that became the myths we know today? Ryan and Pitman show how illiterate storytellers in our own century still recited tales thousands of lines in length that had been transmitted down through the ages with remarkable fidelity. So, they argue, the mythology of the Great Flood is an oral narrative, preserving the memory of a traumatic event -- the great divide in human history.
Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries
 
Originally posted by cornelius
Time is fitting, and the dispute is not the Mesopotamia flood, but the one in Baltics.
... and has absolutely nothing to do with a global flood.

With or without the Black Sea event, our species was tied to fresh water sources, and such sources can (and still do) exhibit dramatic (so-called 100-Year) floods. It would be remarkable if periodic disasters of (forgive me) Biblical proportions were not conflated into folklore. As for Ryan and Pitman, while the find is interesting, there is simply no reason to believe that our primitive ancestors were able to remember and transmit lore of a specific event over the three millenia stretching from 5600 BCE to 2600 BCE and Gilgamesh of Uruk.
 
They did not remember a specific event per se; they merely had vague recollections of a quite memorable cataclysm. This isn't to say that the Epic of Gilgamesh, or Olympian Mythology, or the Biblical account, or any one of the ancient lores could stand as accurate historical sources. Given the inevitabity of a certain attition over time, the tale of global inundation must have come to contain a number of confabulations, or falsities.
 
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