The end of time is not where we think it is.

In a way it is a bit like asking the question:
Where is ths beginning and end to infinity?
No matter where you point to it is always the center or middle of infinity.
Applied to time it is : No matter where you point to it is always the center of time. [NOW]
 
Meanwhile:

I know what you mean, but there's a paradox: at any given moment across a timeless universe, a sentient being points to "now" as the centre of infinity -- and that "now" would echo across galaxies, clusters of galaxies, light years, millions of light years -- trillions! Zillions. Because. There is no. Fixed. Moment. What's a mere 750,000 years' difference to infinity? Why favour, for example, the Capitalistic Age of today (our now) to the Palaeolithic Age of yesterday (our then) as the centre to infinity? Is the "now" of the Stone Age invalidated? Is their "now" superseded by ours? If the Universe is infinite
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Yes. The now of the Stone Age is invalidated, as it has ceased to be. Time and change still exist in eternity and infinity. Every being points to "now" but the "now" are different moments.
 
Time is everything and yet time is nothing. To the people living their busy life's it is everything, to me and a few others out there time means nothing.

Ofcourse time ends. Time ends as the world ends. Because we are the ones making time :).. We are the ones making up time.. We invented time. So how can there be time if we're all gone?

think about that! :)
 
Listoric:

Time was not created by us, time is an aspect of atomic motion impacted by speed, temperature, and gravity.
 
I do not think that's true, Prince James..

See, if there IS just time, and we've not created it, why are we the only ones/things using, thinking in and doing with time?
 
List0ric:

See, if there IS just time, and we've not created it, why are we the only ones/things using, thinking in and doing with time?
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Does not the beast know when to lay down his head to sleep? Do not the birds know when it is time for them to migrate South? Does not the nocturnal hunter know when it is time to rise to greet the moon? Does not the mother bird know when it is time for her chicks to fly? Does not the mother tigress know when her kittens must seek out their own destiny?
 
List0ric said:
I do not think that's true, Prince James..

See, if there IS just time, and we've not created it, why are we the only ones/things using, thinking in and doing with time?
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ListOric, I must admit I side with Prince on this question.
The thing is, it is always easy to consider only that which we feel fits in with the "box" of our limitations. For example just because we can not observe something doesn't mean it is non-existant.
It is I feel an arrogant postion to think that reality must conform to our limitations and not it's own limitations.

Unfortunately this "open or think outside the box" attitude leads to philosophical vexation including endless threads and discussion about what our limitations are etc. This is the price to pay for open mindedness.
To assume that reality exists only for us is to take the view similar to the notion that God exists only for humanity. Which is in my opinion an absurd ego centric limitation placed upon Gods existance.

any way just a few thoughts :)
 
The things you are talking about are not TIME values.., they dont say.. Hmm, its 6 o'clock, they'll have to go fly now, or we'll have to migrate now..
They measure those things .. On the wheather, for example.. and on the plants, on the other beasts, etc. The big hunting cheeta doesn't lay down because it is night, it lays down because it's tired, and because there are no other animals around, and because he has no night eyes, :)

just a few random thoughts about it
 
a good thing to do to experienc organic time is this..........if you can get near the sea, just sit ordinarily, and listen to the surf......it gowes out.....then returns...goes out, returns....g o e s out..............returns. this listening of this unmechanical process is enchanting

but also strrangle you can also experience te unmechanicalization OF mechanicl beats.....for example sitting in reverie when a clock is ticking.....you notice on occasions how a a tick seems to take longer than it's 'supposed' to be...in a mechanical universe, of which we know it isn't
 
List0ric:

The things you are talking about are not TIME values.., they dont say.. Hmm, its 6 o'clock, they'll have to go fly now, or we'll have to migrate now..
They measure those things .. On the wheather, for example.. and on the plants, on the other beasts, etc. The big hunting cheeta doesn't lay down because it is night, it lays down because it's tired, and because there are no other animals around, and because he has no night eyes,
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As I said: Time exists, but the measurement is ours. I specifically said "time values", as you put it, are made by us. But tell me: What is the basis of time? The day, seasons, and years, no? If this process is known to animals, and it bore our standarized time, how can we say that they have "no sense of time"? Just as the cheetah, we too "laid down when we were tired" and because we "had no night eyes".

Meanwhile:

Not quite. And that's what I meant. But I'm getting the impression that the idea for an absolute "now" is being charged from a conspicuous and pertinent physical consciousness. And everything in this world—more so in this capitalistic age because there is so much that panders, not assists, but panders to our physical insecurities—reminds us of our physical presence, our sense of presence, our sense of self—our sense of consciousness. We tend to confuse, in my opinion, two distinct extensions in our make-up: the physical and the non-physical; consciousness that is earthbound and consciousness that is unbound. What time is it?
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"Consciousness that is unbound"? Elaborate?

We depend on our physical presence to formulate notions of reality—we fashion reality to suit our senses, our social conveniences—our will to power. And, for most, from a rather narrow ridge of consciousness in my opinion. Yet, reality is being "proclaimed" from various blocs of consciousness, each with an agenda and a sense of presence. But whose proclamation is loudest, clearest, darkest—who pitches farthest away? Whose consciousness will tap into unbounded time and finger another point, another now? The Stone Age may have physically ceased to be but has its essence truly been extinguished? And if its essence lingers somewhere in the still dark waters of eternity, then, why, wouldn't the "physical" not echo far away? For essence requires properties...
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"Unbounded time"?

The "essence" of the Stone Age? What "essence" do you speak of? The rammifications of we having passed through the period known as it? And in what manner would you claim that "wouldn't the "physical" [stone age] not echo far away"?

And whose consciousness can be so wide-scoped and impressive as to capture and embrace a moment now from the Universe that was light years away?
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There is none. Yet still the moment is in synch as "the now".

duendy:

but also strrangle you can also experience te unmechanicalization OF mechanicl beats.....for example sitting in reverie when a clock is ticking.....you notice on occasions how a a tick seems to take longer than it's 'supposed' to be...in a mechanical universe, of which we know it isn't
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Our sense of time is not particularly well suited towards exact measurements without external instruments and the sound produced by clocks is not always purely constant.
 
Augustine on time:
"For what is time? Who can easily and briefly explain it? Who even in thought can comprehend it, even to the pronouncing of a word concerning it? But what in speaking do we refer to more familiarly and knowingly than time?..What then is time? If no one ask of me I know;if I wish to explain to him who asks, I know not."

That pretty much says it all for me.
 
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