The British Ramadan?

Is A Month Of Daytime Fasting In The West A Good Idea?

  • Yes - I think it's a good idea

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • No - not a good idea even if it was possible to enforce in reality

    Votes: 11 84.6%

  • Total voters
    13
All praise be to the most high, i cant accept your gratitude for that which is written in the book. But may the most high be pleased with you for your intentions of politeness.


You indeed do not need all of these western "Mc lifestyle things" infact life is much better without them and time moves slowly and you get to enjoy your blessings more instead of work, buy, work, buy, work, buy, retire, die.

Only take what you need try not to be greedy, moderation. Also evenjust giving your digestive system a break is good for it. your metabolism will love you for fasting ^_^ Also it is one of the keys to being spiritualy pure.

peace.
I just remembered that the japanese have a culture of fasting and just found this interesting article Major Japanese Study Validates Fasting Therapy

In a recent major clinical trial conducted in Japan, fasting therapy proved 87% effective in curing or ameliorating a wide variety of psychosomatic and mental diseases. The study, conducted by Haruyosi Yamamoto, Jinichi Suzuki and Yuichi Yamauchi of the Department of Psychosomatic Medicine, Nagamachi Branch Hospital, Tohoku University School of Medicine, Sendai, Japan, involved 380 patients who underwent a complete fast for 10 days.

Here's some amazing photos of Japanese Buddhist Mummies
 
My original contact with people fasting was a group from the Sudan. They seemed extremely spiritual and worldy-wise. Looking back, we must have looked like greedy westerners, oblivious to our wanten needs. !

Why would you have looked like "greedy westerners, oblivious to our wanten [sic] needs"?

One more aspect of Islamic philosophy which you may not have realised is what we call fulfilling our nafs: we don't believe in self denial which is why Ramadan is especially important so that we don't turn into complete wusses!:p

There is no ascetism in Islam - the world is there to be enjoyed and people are there to be cherished. Ramadan is what is necessary to learn delayed gratification, which is supposed to be good for EQ, isn't it?

A little more on what nafs is and how self control helps you to make the correct choices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafs

In the primitive state, it is the primal nafs that controls us, and fasting in Ramadan is about controlling these primals nafs; recognising your limitations and weaknesses to become self aware. e.g. Like I said, I find it hard to control impatience and anger and I can see how my caffeine intake modulates my behaviour. You literally learn things about yourself and identify strengths you might not have known you possessed.

1. False pride (Takabbur)
2. Greed (Hirs)
3. Envy (Hasad)
4. Lust (Shahwah)
5. Backbiting (Gheebah)
6. Stinginess (Bokhl)
7. Malice (Keena)

If you note, all the things to be avoided in Ramadan are directed at these instincts. After all, we are what habitually do, so learning to inculcate the right habits should be a priority for all of us.
 
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Are you suggesting there is absolutely no positives what so ever from religion at all?
Of course not. But on the balance it has been so overwhelmingly negative that we'd be far better off without it.

Christianity alone has obliterated two of the world's six precious civilizations, in the name of their imaginary deity and with the blessing and encouragement of their pope. How many "positives" would it take to make up for such an immeasurable loss?

Lately it appears that the Jews and the Muslims would like to finish the job and bomb us all back into the Stone Age, where religious propaganda can be spread more freely without the obstacles of science and education.
 
Of course not. But on the balance it has been so overwhelmingly negative that we'd be far better off without it.

Christianity alone has obliterated two of the world's six precious civilizations, in the name of their imaginary deity and with the blessing and encouragement of their pope. How many "positives" would it take to make up for such an immeasurable loss?

Lately it appears that the Jews and the Muslims would like to finish the job and bomb us all back into the Stone Age, where religious propaganda can be spread more freely without the obstacles of science and education.

which two?
 
Starving yourself is a drugless form of inebriation used to feel closer to God or to achieve an alteration in consciousness. Throughout history, people have used dance, drumming, meditation, repetitive movements, self-injury, ritual and various ordeals to do the same thing. I happen to think the Muslim form is rather injurious to the body, but they don't have much of an option, having outlawed most other things (they do the self-cutting thing too). We in the west have more options.

Self harm is haram in islam, self harming is a sin and is deemed Haram in the Hadiths.


No real muslim will self harm, It is strictly haram to cut yourself with the intention of causing harm,

Fasting is good for you I have always fasted throughout my life and im in great shape. I have the metabolism of a 10 year oldand im 26 and i cant even get served tobacco or a lighter in a shop because i look so young even though im approaching 30.


Peace.
 
Eh who is starving themselves? We don't pass a single day without eating, and eating really well! Its more along the lines of what Sherlock Holmes said, digestion requires energy and diverts it from the brain. So Ramadan is more about focusing. There is plenty to eat, just not during the day.


Indeed, Muslims do not fast for long periods, it is only fasting during daylight hours.

I personaly fast in the day and night but what I do is not what is taught in the Quran, What I do may be considered starving yourself since i fast for weeks on end and i hold water fasts too.


My fasting is different and according to the quran i am supposed to follow the torah aswell as the quran since i am of jewish bloodline.

I will in future be fasting for the entire stretch of ramadan for 30 days i will not eat.


Peace.
 
Why would you have looked like "greedy westerners, oblivious to our wanten [sic] needs"?

One more aspect of Islamic philosophy which you may not have realised is what we call fulfilling our nafs: we don't believe in self denial which is why Ramadan is especially important so that we don't turn into complete wusses!:p

There is no ascetism in Islam - the world is there to be enjoyed and people are there to be cherished. Ramadan is what is necessary to learn delayed gratification, which is supposed to be good for EQ, isn't it?

A little more on what nafs is and how self control helps you to make the correct choices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafs

In the primitive state, it is the primal nafs that controls us, and fasting in Ramadan is about controlling these primals nafs; recognising your limitations and weaknesses to become self aware. e.g. Like I said, I find it hard to control impatience and anger and I can see how my caffeine intake modulates my behaviour. You literally learn things about yourself and identify strengths you might not have known you possessed.



If you note, all the things to be avoided in Ramadan are directed at these instincts. After all, we are what habitually do, so learning to inculcate the right habits should be a priority for all of us.
We were completely ignorant of the history and religous practices of the arab region in general and were just young and out to have fun. That's the reason I felt a bit uncomfortable with encountering the local population fasting I think. I was simply too unprepared for it.

Thanks for the link and the list of the nafs, most informative. I especially liked your saying of "..delayed gratification, which is supposed to be good for EQ, isn't it?". I totally agree. It's something non-religious western kids have lost imo.

Peace be with you.
 
which two [civilizations obliterated by Christian armies in the name of their imaginary god and with the blessing and encouragement of their pope]?
  • Olmec/Maya/Aztec. Civilization came late to the New World; reasons include the difficulties that its north-south orientation posed to tribes cooperating by sharing agricultural technology across climate zones. The Olmecs had a regional network of cities by 1500BCE. The Maya took over leadership when the Olmecs declined, and then the Aztecs. They had reached the Bronze Age when the Christian armies arrived with their superior Iron Age technology. The Europeans destroyed their "heathen" culture, even burning their libraries.
  • Inca. They got an even later start, around a thousand years ago, but they managed to invent bronze technology. The Christians were so thorough as to even melt down their "blasphemous" golden art objects and ship them home as bullion.
  • All of this was under the oversight of Pope Urban, who divided the Western Hemisphere along a line of longitude and "gave" the eastern part (Brazil) to the king of Portugal and the western part (everything else) to the king of Spain. Much as the Britons, in the last death rattle of their Empire and a giant fuck-you to the world that spurned their leadership, "gave" the homeland of the Palestinian Muslims to the Jews.
 
  • Olmec/Maya/Aztec. Civilization came late to the New World; reasons include the difficulties that its north-south orientation posed to tribes cooperating by sharing agricultural technology across climate zones. The Olmecs had a regional network of cities by 1500BCE. The Maya took over leadership when the Olmecs declined, and then the Aztecs. They had reached the Bronze Age when the Christian armies arrived with their superior Iron Age technology. The Europeans destroyed their "heathen" culture, even burning their libraries.
  • Inca. They got an even later start, around a thousand years ago, but they managed to invent bronze technology. The Christians were so thorough as to even melt down their "blasphemous" golden art objects and ship them home as bullion.
  • All of this was under the oversight of Pope Urban, who divided the Western Hemisphere along a line of longitude and "gave" the eastern part (Brazil) to the king of Portugal and the western part (everything else) to the king of Spain. Much as the Britons, in the last death rattle of their Empire and a giant fuck-you to the world that spurned their leadership, "gave" the homeland of the Palestinian Muslims to the Jews.

ok now I got more of the grasp on how your dividing up the civs
 
Why is the saving of bread a good idea? That is all that fasting really is if you do not transcend the moral laws...
A good idea would be to live exemplary for a month...be about action, not inaction.
Cycle to work , or catch a bus instead.
Pick up an old hobby.
Visit a relative.
Leave the TV off...
 
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