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i believe gulf war one was over iraq invading kuwait.
i suppose the american military DID express pride, at driving iraq back.
 
I'm thinking of the so-called "Highway of Death", where almost the entire Iraqi army was torched in retreat.
 
spidergoat said:
I'm thinking of the so-called "Highway of Death", where almost the entire Iraqi army was torched in retreat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Demolished_vehicles_line_Highway_80_on_18_Apr_1991.jpg

The beginning of the end for Saddam, if not for Kuwait and 911 Saddam would still be there living a life of absolute luxury.

Note: I did not put the smilie in there, i just pasted the address in both diolog boxes and it kept popping in there...anyone know why? i did it three times and it happened every time.
 
leopold99 said:
i believe gulf war one was over iraq invading kuwait.
i suppose the american military DID express pride, at driving iraq back.


I'm sure you know that Kuwait was a part of Iraq right? The British created Kuwait once it pulled out of the middle east. Plus the Kuwati's were angle drilling in Saddams Oil fields. I'm not for one minute sticking up for Saddam. But that's why he attacked Kuwait. Not because he wanted to rule the world.

But in the end might is right. Who ever holds the biggest gun decides who's good and who's evil. What I find Ironic is the ones with the biggest Guns allways kill the most innocent civilians.
 
I love it most when the "hero" calling comes along.

Some news reporter goes to some firefighter and says to the camera "he's a hero. he saved lives." and then the firefighter says "oh no, i'm not a hero. those people who died in those buildings that day, they were the real heros." and then you ask the people who died and they say "oh no, we're not the real heros. the people who had the sense to get some of us out, they were the real heros."

and in the back, we have bush standing atop some rubble with his hand around some 70 something year old fireman, posing for his photo op.

jingoists.
 
Blackrain said:
I'm sure you know that Kuwait was a part of Iraq right? The British created Kuwait once it pulled out of the middle east. Plus the Kuwati's were angle drilling in Saddams Oil fields. I'm not for one minute sticking up for Saddam. But that's why he attacked Kuwait. Not because he wanted to rule the world.

But in the end might is right. Who ever holds the biggest gun decides who's good and who's evil. What I find Ironic is the ones with the biggest Guns allways kill the most innocent civilians.

Hi Blackrain,

I found you post intriguing, but it sounded far fetched so can you tell me if this version is accurate-

http://www.kuwait-info.org/cphistory.html

From your post you seem to imply that Kuwait is merely a British creation.

Also, in regard's to "slant drilling" would'nt Saddam have alleged this prior to the invasion? Maybe he did, are there any sources for this?
 
leopold99 said:
give some examples where americans expressed pride at causing death and destruction.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea, Iraq, Serbia, Colombia, and support of destructive dictatorships throughout history across the globe, support of rogue state Israel-thus support of the destruction of Lebanon. I saw lots of fist pumping and cheering during all these incidents. 2 buildings, four planes and a military target (Pentagon) take 3k lives. A mere slap in the face to a bloodthirsty aggressor rogue state.
 
John99 said:
Hi Blackrain,

I found you post intriguing, but it sounded far fetched so can you tell me if this version is accurate-

http://www.kuwait-info.org/cphistory.html

From your post you seem to imply that Kuwait is merely a British creation.

Also, in regard's to "slant drilling" would'nt Saddam have alleged this prior to the invasion? Maybe he did, are there any sources for this?


British Domination

As the victors of World War I, France and Britain dismantled the Ottoman Empire and the Arab nation for their own colonial purposes. The Iraq Petroleum Company was created in 1920 with 95% of the shares going to Britain, France, and the U.S. In order to weaken Arab nationalism, Britain blocked Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf by severing the territorial entity, "Kuwait" from the rest of Iraq in 1921 and 1922. This new British colony, Kuwait, was given artificial boundaries with no basis in history or geography. King Faisal I of the new Iraqi state ruled under British military oversight, but his administration never accepted the amputation of the Kuwait district and the denial of Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf. Attempts by Faisal to build a railway to Kuwait and port facilities on the Gulf were vetoed by Britain. These and other similar British colonial policies made Kuwait a focus of the Arab national movement in Iraq, and a symbol of Iraqi humiliation at the hands of the British


http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html
 
John99 said:
Hi Blackrain,

I found you post intriguing, but it sounded far fetched so can you tell me if this version is accurate-

http://www.kuwait-info.org/cphistory.html

From your post you seem to imply that Kuwait is merely a British creation.

Also, in regard's to "slant drilling" would'nt Saddam have alleged this prior to the invasion? Maybe he did, are there any sources for this?

Iraqis Accuse Kuwait of Stealing Oil
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 2, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — Iraqi legislators accused Kuwait of stealing their oil as well as chipping away at their national territory on the border — allegations similar to those used by Saddam Hussein to justify his invasion of Kuwait that began 15 years ago Tuesday.

An Iraqi delegation was scheduled to head to Kuwait on Wednesday discuss the incidents along the Kuwaiti border. ''There have been violations such as digging horizontal oil wells to pump Iraq oil,'' legislator Jawad al-Maliki, chairman of the parliament's Security and Defense Committee, told the National Assembly on Tuesday. In such horizontal wells, instead of drilling straight down, Kuwaitis would drill at an angle either going into subterranean Iraqi territory or sucking oil out of pools from Iraqi territory. He also said Kuwaitis have taken territories up to half a mile inside Iraq.

''We believe that we have overcome the past and that we opened a new page of positive relations. These relations have to be respected by Kuwait,'' said al-Maliki, a member of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's Dawa Party.

Relations between Iraq and Kuwait resumed after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq that toppled Saddam and border points were reopened. On Saturday, a Kuwaiti official said a number of Iraqi homes and farms have slightly ''encroached'' into Kuwait at the border area of Umm Qasr in southern Iraq. The officials said they want to resolve the border issue in negotiations.

Some farms that belonged to Iraqis were razed when the United Nations redrew the border in 1993, two years after a U.S.-led international coalition fought the Gulf War that ended a seven-month Iraqi occupation of this country that began with Saddam's Aug. 2, 1990 invasion. The Iraqi owners were compensated.

Legislator Hassan al-Sunneid said a four-member delegation of three legislators and deputy foreign minister Mohammed Haji Hmoud will head to Kuwait to try to find a solution. ''There has been a border problem with Kuwait since the Iraqi state was established,'' legislator Mansour al-Basri said. ''We hope that these border problems will be solved according to historical and geographical basis.''

He accused Kuwaitis of even taking the deep water side of the Umm Qasr port where giant ships dock. Hundreds of Iraqis demonstrated at the frontier last week to stop Kuwait from building a metal barrier between the two countries. Shots were fired across the border into Kuwait, but no one was injured and Kuwaiti border guards did not return fire. Kuwait insists the pipeline barrier, meant to stop vehicles from illegally crossing through the desert, is on its side of the frontier. The U.N. demarcation also gave Kuwait 11 oil wells and an old naval base that used to be in Iraq.

When Saddam was still in power, Kuwait built a defensive trench along the 130-mile border to stop border infiltration from both sides. U.N. peacekeepers patrolled the frontier until just before the invasion of Iraq.

http://www.peakoil.ie/newsletters/631
 
John99 said:
Hi Blackrain,

I found you post intriguing, but it sounded far fetched so can you tell me if this version is accurate-

http://www.kuwait-info.org/cphistory.html

From your post you seem to imply that Kuwait is merely a British creation.

Also, in regard's to "slant drilling" would'nt Saddam have alleged this prior to the invasion? Maybe he did, are there any sources for this?

The Carter administration wanted to motivate Saddam to fight, but he had little to gain simply by fighting Iran. What Saddam wanted was to become the dominant power in the Persian Gulf. Absorbing Kuwait, which had historically been a part of Iraq under the Ottoman Empire until the British carved it our for their own interests

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2005/1011-SecretWar.html
 
Blackrain said:
Eventhough you can watch it for free I'd advise everyone who watches it to purchase the DVD. All proceeds will go to the victoms famlies.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8666444901186351024&q=911+press+for+truth
WTF. That's not even the bleeding movie.

Here is the correct link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083&q=press+for+truth


I definitely would not recommend purchasing the DVD. You can watch it free on google. There are better causes anyway, like city design.
 
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