Originally posted by Raithere
Energy and the fundamental forces, however, do seem to be eternal in nature.
That is because they constitute nature, wouldn't you say? The question is; Is nature eternal?
Some, like the notion of a supernatural cause, are simply un-testable and meaningless.
That depends on what you term as "super-natural."
Even if we assume a supernatural cause, it tells us nothing. No further hypotheses can arise from such a supposition.
What is the use of hypothesis in direct knowledge?
There is no way, for instance, to jump from ‘a supernatural creator’ to ‘Yahweh.
What do you mean?
If the Universe is everything in ‘physical’ existence what is outside and how do you transfer energy there?
Where did the energy come from in the first place?
Is it safe to assume that wherever there is energy, there must be an energetic principle? If you don't think so, please state why?
If your hypothesis is that energy can leave the Universe or somehow go away then you must provide a mechanism for that and some way to prove or disprove the hypothesis.
Maybe energy goes back to its original source.
If we were able to provide "a mechanism," to measure where the energy goes, that mechanism would also be part of the said energy and is in no position to go outside of itself, therefore all calculations would be, in part, speculation. So in effect physical science has no jurisdiction.
We know that energy can come from nothing (virtual particles from a quantum fluctuation).
Where do these various particles/quantum fluctuation come from?
Mathematically there is nothing that prevents all the energy in the Universe coming from nothing as long as it eventually returns to nothing.
Then what you mean is "something" as opposed to "nothing," because surely "nothing" means "nothing" including energy.
Truth is a hard thing to come by; in fact it is nearly impossible.
Is this a general, across-the-board claim, or is it a personal claim?
If the former, then please explain to me how you can speak for everybody (all species) living, or have lived, on this planet?
The moment you are absolutely certain of something, the moment you hold faith in your mind, reality beings to slip away from you.
Having faith doesn't mean your certain, it means you believe something based on some kind of authority, in the hope that you will become certain in due course of time. When certainty is reached, there is no need of faith. The reality is dependant on the authority.
The Universe is not static, it is always changing, and if we could really understand the immensity of that which we do not know and how much of what we thing we know is wrong… well most people probably could not handle it… they are so certain.
Nothing (including ourselves), is static, everything is changing, which is one of the basic laws of the matter.
1) comes into being
2) develops/grows
3) produces by-product
4) dwindles
5) vanishes
When your car doesn’t start do you check the gas and the battery or do you perform an exorcism to drive the demon out of your engine block?
When someone is possessed by a demon, do you check the gas or battery in your car, or do you go to someone who knows the art of exorcism.
Physics matters because it works.
But not with everything.
Love
Jan Ardena.