Star triangle paradox

John99 said:
Some of my ideas are quite good.

For example: The elimination of all rats and cockroaches from the earth seems to me to be common sense. Why keep the abominations around? Are we not supposed to make the Earth a better place for good living creatures?
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John - do not respond to this post - get banned on your own time.

I just have to comment on this post. This proposal is madness. It is not a good idea it is a horrible idea for 2 reasons.

1. Causing the extinction of a species because we find them unecessary or 'bad' implies that the earth was made specifically for us and we can destroy any parts that we want to on a whim. That's just obscene.

2. You have no clue (nor does anyone else) on what the reprecussions of causing the extinction of 2 species that have such a large population. It could upset that balance of nature in ways we cannot immagine
 
John99 said:
Some of my ideas are quite good.
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Only in your own head.

I dont see anything wrong with challenging things because how will we learn?
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What you don't seem to understand that any "challenge" to science must be backed up by data and rational argument.

universaldistress, what discoveries have you made that qualifies you to say who belongs on a science forum?
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What makes you think one needs to have "made discoveries"?
Oh wait, you think you've done so...
 
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What evidence do you have that you can see light emitted by a bulb that is swtiched on 3 metres away from you instantaneously, rather than after a delay of 10 nanoseconds - the time it takes the photons to travel from the bulb to you?
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Answer: I dont have evidence for that.

Do you have evidence?
 
origin said:
John - do not respond to this post - get banned on your own time.

I just have to comment on this post. This proposal is madness. It is not a good idea it is a horrible idea for 2 reasons.

1. Causing the extinction of a species because we find them unecessary or 'bad' implies that the earth was made specifically for us and we can destroy any parts that we want to on a whim. That's just obscene.

2. You have no clue (nor does anyone else) on what the reprecussions of causing the extinction of 2 species that have such a large population. It could upset that balance of nature in ways we cannot immagine
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oh ok. It is madness, yet how many creatures go extinct in nature? How many rats would you kill with poison if the were walking around your house? Do you allow cockroaches to walk around your childs crib?

I guess you would, takes all kinds.:facepalm:

Origin, i have no interest in your self righteousness either.

Regarding number 2: What the hell is going to happen?

http://www.ratbehavior.org/WildRatDisease.htm

It could upset that balance of nature in ways we cannot immagine
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Why dont you tell me how it could upset the balance of nature because i am more concerned with the balance of intelligence, after reading your post.:facepalm:

Go ahead Origin, start a thread on it. I wont start a thread because the usual bores will come in and sabotage it.

Edit: and dont start the thread with "John sadi..." or anything similar to that.

You want a class B civ.? Then listen to me.
 
John99 said:
Some of my ideas are quite good. For example: The elimination of all rats and cockroaches from the earth seems to me to be common sense. Why keep the abominations around? Are we not supposed to make the Earth a better place for good living creatures?
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Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that we are "better off without them."

They are scavengers, and serve a purpose in clearing away carcasses in the wild.

They are an important part of the food source of larger raptors. Take away rats and you would likely lose some of our hawks and eagles. They are also a food source for people in India and Asia.

They have contributed tremendously to human science as test subjects for experimentation purposes. When it comes to in vivo research on mammals in the area of disease, genetics and drug reactions, over 30% of the published research was done on rats.

Heck, we had four as pets for a few years. They were great.

You would think after centuries of making species go extinct - and only then learning the role they played in the biosphere - we would have learned the lesson that you can't just wipe out a life form and not adversely affect our environment. (Well, actually, I think most of us have learned that lesson.)
 
billvon said:
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that we are "better off without them."

They are scavengers, and serve a purpose in clearing away carcasses in the wild.

They are an important part of the food source of larger raptors. Take away rats and you would likely lose some of our hawks and eagles. They are also a food source for people in India and Asia.

They have contributed tremendously to human science as test subjects for experimentation purposes. When it comes to in vivo research on mammals in the area of disease, genetics and drug reactions, over 30% of the published research was done on rats.

Heck, we had four as pets for a few years. They were great.

You would think after centuries of making species go extinct - and only then learning the role they played in the biosphere - we would have learned the lesson that you can't just wipe out a life form and not adversely affect our environment. (Well, actually, I think most of us have learned that lesson.)
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Seriously, use your head and get out of last century. You are still in the victorian era.

I sadi eradicate the abominations from society...not total annihilation. We keeps some around for experiments and jsut because once they are gone they will never come back so no not 100%. Sure there is a chance something good will come from them some time but i seriously doubt that. So we can experiment on them, but in a humane way and the ones still alive to breed will be treated very well. Maybe that alone will elevate their species instead of running around dirty, filthy spreading disease, biting poor peole and competing for food and water.

Planty of other scavengers to fill the void, if you thin they are necessary for that you are wrong[/b.

Pets? are you serious? You need a rat for a pet?
 
John99 said:
Seriously, use your head
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Pretty funny coming from you.

I sadi eradicate the abominations from society...not total annihilation.
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What do you think "eradicate" means?

Planty of other scavengers to fill the void, if you thin they are necessary for that you are wrong[/b.
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Wrong.

And well done John on diverting from the topic YET AGAIN.

Can you support your claim that we see in real time?
If not go away and stop posting.
 
John99 said:
That has nothing to do with you. It is between James and myself.
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Wrong and wrong.
Look back through the thread; I was the first to call you on your claim.
Post #34.

James R may be the one to ban you but I'm still involved. And asking for answers (you know, the ones you said you could provide ages ago).
 
Dywyddyr said:
Wrong and wrong.
Look back through the thread; I was the first to call you on your claim.
Post #34.

James R may be the one to ban you but I'm still involved.
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TBH, you are not involved. Why dont you find a new hobby like tripping old ladies.
 
Sure..sure:

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John99 said:
Seriously, use your head and get out of last century. You are still in the victorian era.
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And you are thinking with your emotions. You don't like rats so you want them eradicated. Which is fine for you - but "John99 hates rats" is insufficient reason to do anything. Especially given your well-presented disconnect with science.

Maybe that alone will elevate their species instead of running around dirty, filthy spreading disease, biting poor peole and competing for food and water.
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Well, heck, if that's your criteria, we better exterminate bears, coyotes, dogs, cats, birds, raccoons and squirrels as well.

Planty of other scavengers to fill the void, if you thin they are necessary for that you are wrong
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Again, given your remarkable imperviousness to science, I'll take your scientific opinions with a grain of salt.

Pets? are you serious? You need a rat for a pet?
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Nope. No one needs any pets. But they were fun to have.
 
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