Sociopaths

WTF does drugs have to do with it? explain this to me.
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Honestly? I think it's because an addict looks like a sociopath from the outside, that's all. But the internal dynamic, and the reachability? very different.
 
Honestly? I think it's because an addict looks like a sociopath from the outside, that's all.
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well, appearances can be deceiving. anyone with some experience in life and especially an adult should realize that. :bugeye:
 
birch said:
this thread is about sociopaths and you've been trying to mix people with other disorders in with sociopaths. that's quite interesting. so those who don't fit into mainstream society or put on the act is what you are more concerned about. i'd like to introduce you to my family, you'd love them.

people behind bars doesn't necessarily mean they are all sociopaths. i went to jail for a few days for tresspassing when i was sixteen because i was homeless. ain't that something? going to jail for not having a place? that's so evil, i know. of course this is an embarassment to them. the monsters that abused me, ZERO days in jail. what did i find out in jail, that just because someone ends up in jail doesn't mean they are bad people. most of them weren't but of course some will be. some are just stupid.

the world is not fair nor is the justice system fair because there is no way to catch them all, especially "sociopaths." this thread is about SOCIOPATHS.

right now, these people are trying to start a mission in india and in korea. they have many connections through the church and many friends. why do they do this? to look good in front of others. also, so the rapist can have access to children as he is involved in the children's ministry which he volunteered for. surprise, surprise. they have more connections than me and more friends than me. while i was struggling, suffering and lost, they never lost any sleep or did anything to help me except to continually exploit. hypocrite much?

who went and got mental health help for the rape and abuse? ME, the victim because of depression. the victim is going to suffer more. the perpetrators? NADA.

what did my mother say to me the first thing she found out i was going to seek help for myself?? did she say that she was happy that her daughter was getting help they never sought out for me? NO. she was more concerned about protecting her husband, their reputation and said some lame shit about how he can't get in trouble because it happened some years back. what kind of christian, good citizen is that?? VERY GOOD according to superficial society and that is what they care about most.

do you know what those monsters have the nerve to call me?? yes, the prodigal child quoting their scripture. well, didn't you tell those church people about them to give them a heads up, you ask? well, that's easy, they just tell them i'm the crazy one. after all, look at her life vs theirs. they are the christians, they are the good citizens, they are the ones with seemingly no problems and stable. she's been homeless, lost, fought with us, not even married and living with her boyfriend. ya see how this girl is immoral and not as moral as we are??

society is BUILT on lies.

if anyone knows anything about sociopaths, i DO.
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Birch, I do sympathize with you and I do applaud your willingness to share your experience. Please don't ever think I don't appreciate your incites from your unique perspective. The best example of a narcissistic sociopath that I've ever seen was the original version of Caligula that played exclusively in Hollywood’s Pussycat Theater for over one year. The only version I've been able to find now is a pathetically watered down version not worth watching. I would like to watch the original version again, so if anybody knows where to find it let me know. It will be about 3 and ½ hours long. The crappy version is a little less than 2 hours.

Caligula was one guy you wanted to be as far away from and as unnoticed as possible.
 
"Caligula was one guy you wanted to be as far away from and as unnoticed as possible."

Well he wasn't all bad.
He loved his mum.
And his sister and he was fond of horses too.

Dee Cee
 
DeeCee said:
"Caligula was one guy you wanted to be as far away from and as unnoticed as possible."

Well he wasn't all bad.
He loved his mum.
And his sister and he was fond of horses too.

Dee Cee
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like that means anything. i'm sure each sociopath has their own favorite flavor of ice cream. jeffrey dahmer loved his father and grandmother. why don't you tell the family members of his victims this? maybe they'd say you were an ass or crazy? i wonder if you'd be saying this if he had victimized you. i highly doubt it. you can say it because he's dead and you know he can't harm you.
 
DeeCee said:
"Caligula was one guy you wanted to be as far away from and as unnoticed as possible."

Well he wasn't all bad.
He loved his mum.
And his sister and he was fond of horses too.

Dee Cee
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His sister, he got her pregnant then he gutted her before the kid was born. My guess is he did them a favor, as continued life in that family sure wasn't worth living.
 
people really don't want to face the truth because they don't really care about the victims.
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Not enough to tangle with a sociopath, no. There's a lot of denial and a lot of indifference...and fear...but still a lot of dumb. And naivete. People don't see the sociopath for what they are until it's way too late every time-that's how they do it.
You know what sort of malicious evil the worst of them are capable of. They can not only manipulate individuals, the skilled ones can manipulate the system as well.

And yes, there's all sorts of hoping for the best, and of simply failing to realize how bad it is.
There's also a misperception that small children lie about this. Teens? maybe. Younger kids? not very likely.

Some of that's changing somewhat, as far as child sexual abusers go...but not nearly enough. Serial pedophiles are still able to rack up victim counts.

I grew up in the late 70's and sexual things weren't talked about with children...as if that somehow sheltered us.
One of my victimizers would have never been able to get access to kids now-in retrospect he was a far too classic child sexual abuser.
The one who tried to force me into his apartment at gunpoint was actually caught doing it to another child and sent up for same.
 
Oh dear.
I've been back five minutes and bumped into the local loon.
This is the internet, 30 seconds with google and you could have been in on the joke.
If google is not your thing then can I recommend you grab a copy of Seutonus or Tacitus.
I think you'd like Tacitus. Very moral and judgemental. Also has a thing about hairstyles.
Romans. Go figure.

I think I'm going to like you birch

Dee Cee
 
birch said:
like that means anything. i'm sure each sociopath has their own favorite flavor of ice cream. jeffrey dahmer loved his father and grandmother. why don't you tell the family members of his victims this? maybe they'd say you were an ass or crazy? i wonder if you'd be saying this if he had victimized you. i highly doubt it. you can say it because he's dead and you know he can't harm you.
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Birch, I understand you have been through some unimaginable horror. Those people may not be aware of the truth. It does not trivialise the pain of the victims or that of their family.

What it does show is that sociopaths are very good at being sociopaths, which is why they are so often and unfortunately successful in either killing or destroying the lives of others.

I have often seen family members and members of the community come out in droves and fight that the person who raped the girl next door for years on end is not a bad person and that he/she could never have done this. The public facade does not match the private one. And that is often the case with sociopaths. The majority do love their family or friends and do help in the community in some way or are friendly and funny - the types you'd never once consider as being able to commit such a fly - the whole 'wouldn't hurt a fly' types. In that sense, in the sense of how they loved those they loved and cared for, to those individuals, they weren't all bad.

It does not diminish their crimes of the horrors they have brought into the lives of others.

It just makes them sociopaths.
 
"His sister, he got her pregnant then he gutted her before the kid was born."

Yeah and he looked just like Malcolm McDowell too.
Weird that.

Dee Cee
 
chimpkin said:
Not enough to tangle with a sociopath, no. There's a lot of denial and a lot of indifference...and fear...but still a lot of dumb. And naivete. People don't see the sociopath for what they are until it's way too late every time-that's how they do it.
You know what sort of malicious evil the worst of them are capable of. They can not only manipulate individuals, the skilled ones can manipulate the system as well.

And yes, there's all sorts of hoping for the best, and of simply failing to realize how bad it is.
There's also a misperception that small children lie about this. Teens? maybe. Younger kids? not very likely.

Some of that's changing somewhat, as far as child sexual abusers go...but not nearly enough. Serial pedophiles are still able to rack up victim counts.

I grew up in the late 70's and sexual things weren't talked about with children...as if that somehow sheltered us.
One of my victimizers would have never been able to get access to kids now-in retrospect he was a far too classic child sexual abuser.
The one who tried to force me into his apartment at gunpoint was actually caught doing it to another child and sent up for same.
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yes, sociopaths are very well aware of how to use social norms or memes to their advantage as they are aware of them just like anyone else. the perpetrators also did this with me as they tried to put doubt in other's minds that i was accusing them falsely out of spite or that i was just a bad person. this is the classic 'blame the victim'. this is how they try to get sympathy to their side, pretending to be the concerned and especially long-suffering parent who has had to deal with this 'problem child'. the thing is, they conveniently leave out what they did. they can do this easily because they know there is no proof, that's their leverage.

so those who may have falsely accused make it that much harder for those who have been victims of real criminals to prosecute them.

there are also many people who do sympathize with perpetrators as well even naturally. it could be they just dislike the victim, they know the perpetrators and friends with them or because some of them tend to be sociopathic themselves etc.
 
DeeCee said:
Oh dear.
I've been back five minutes and bumped into the local loon.
This is the internet, 30 seconds with google and you could have been in on the joke.
If google is not your thing then can I recommend you grab a copy of Seutonus or Tacitus.
I think you'd like Tacitus. Very moral and judgemental. Also has a thing about hairstyles.
Romans. Go figure.

I think I'm going to like you birch

Dee Cee
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i'm not in a joking mood and there was no way to tell if you were joking or not. there are loons who would believe caligula wasn't all bad. you made yourself clear that you were joking. oh, good one. i'm laughing up a storm. it's loons who joke about sociopaths.
 
What it does show is that sociopaths are very good at being sociopaths, which is why they are so often and unfortunately successful in either killing or destroying the lives of others.
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Righto. And the really brilliant ones don't have to do a thing themselves, they wind up their victims to destroy themselves, then sit back and watch with glee.

A chillingly interesting page...I linked it earlier, but here's a relink: http://www.sociopathworld.com

From what I can tell, it's actually written by a sociopath and has some sociopathic guest posters.
 
birch said:
i'm not in a joking mood and there was no way to tell if you were joking or not. there are loons who would believe caligula wasn't all bad. you made yourself clear that you were joking. oh, good one. i'm laughing up a storm.
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Ummm ...

The mention of Caligula and 'mother and sister' should have been a good enough indication.

:)
 
"there are also many people who do sympathize with perpetrators.... some of them tend to be sociopathic themselves"

And here's me thinking that empathy was somewhat lacking in the sociopathic personality.
Well we live and learn.

Dee Cee
 
@ all

I'm mainly speaking to those who have had personal experience with sociopaths. I know the anger and pain may stay with you for life, but do you ever have fantasies about getting even or at least giving karma a helping hand? I'm sorry but I can't help it, not that I would ever do it. Whenever I watch a good revenge movie or any of the SAW series, I can't help putting her in the victim position, and I was just wondering this is just me or if others have similar fantasies.
 
DeeCee said:
"there are also many people who do sympathize with perpetrators.... some of them tend to be sociopathic themselves"

And here's me thinking that empathy was somewhat lacking in the sociopathic personality.
Well we live and learn.

Dee Cee
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*Snort*

Have I told you I'm glad you're back? :D

birch said:
he did profess to love them at first
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Hmmm?

He said Caligula loved his mother...

what kind of person jokes about sociopaths anyways?
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A person who recognises that discussing sociopaths on the internet can at times require some jokes to lighten the mood.
 
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