Show that there is *religiously* motivated violence
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You need to show the actual ''religion'' within this ''religious motivation''.
jan.
Kill the Kafirs is a [i.e. one of the] clear message in the Quran.
More like Schopenhauer's Art of being uncertainI see you have graduated from Schopenhauer's Art of Being Right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0F9b_o3uBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrfqLVI7ZI
Oh no, Sarkus read his Schopy well, and he is going by the book.
Socratic Spelunker
Registered Senior Member
How did i not?
Let's deal with the quoted stuff for now.
That is not the context, or what is meant by ''context''.
jan.
If you have one, it appears to be one that no person who considers themselves "religious" agrees with.
If biologists demanded that they have the upper hand in definining what sociology is about - would you see no problem with that?
@Jan
Oh you mean "The set of facts or circumstances that surround a situation or event".
Ok. Lets see -
The context is this:
This is a religion based on the alleged teachings of a prophet around 700 CE and it promises its followers the best lands and life [not to mention, also a similiarly good afterlife]. It also demands that it be spread and all people either taken in or killed.
So you have a bunch of third world theocracies filled with poor, angry people burdened by a hard life, and they see the non-believers promote blasphemy, science and immorality. They, whose women "dress like whores", whose intelligencia reject God and whose people dont care much about social systems and the proper place of men and women as dictated by the [Muslim] God; and yet these infidels, these godless, souless heretics not only posess a threat to the spread of the god's word and world domination of Islam, they actually are much better off than the muslim nations.
How dare they, when the chosen people are forced to live in poverty, be allowed to binge on burgers and build shiny tall buildings.
And so, what does someone like Osama do - he puts those blasphemous bastards in their place with the help of young 'soldiers' who are enticed by the "love of martyrdom".
So there. Religiously motivated violence. Yes there is. Take out the religion and you have got a country like India, third world but developing fast, modernising and secularising quickly. Keep it in and you get a bunch of people motivated by religiously preached violence and hate - like Afghanistan or Iran.
Oh you mean "The set of facts or circumstances that surround a situation or event".
Ok. Lets see -
The context is this:
This is a religion based on the alleged teachings of a prophet around 700 CE and it promises its followers the best lands and life [not to mention, also a similiarly good afterlife]. It also demands that it be spread and all people either taken in or killed.
So you have a bunch of third world theocracies filled with poor, angry people burdened by a hard life, and they see the non-believers promote blasphemy, science and immorality. They, whose women "dress like whores", whose intelligencia reject God and whose people dont care much about social systems and the proper place of men and women as dictated by the [Muslim] God; and yet these infidels, these godless, souless heretics not only posess a threat to the spread of the god's word and world domination of Islam, they actually are much better off than the muslim nations.
How dare they, when the chosen people are forced to live in poverty, be allowed to binge on burgers and build shiny tall buildings.
And so, what does someone like Osama do - he puts those blasphemous bastards in their place with the help of young 'soldiers' who are enticed by the "love of martyrdom".
So there. Religiously motivated violence. Yes there is. Take out the religion and you have got a country like India, third world but developing fast, modernising and secularising quickly. Keep it in and you get a bunch of people motivated by religiously preached violence and hate - like Afghanistan or Iran.
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its quite simple :I'll take these further ad hominems as your inability to raise a coherent counter.
I'd have thought you'd have something better, but I overestimated. Me bad.
Now - how about picking up your toys, eh?
whatever arguments you have for religion motivating violence one can attribute to atheism (ie it all arises out of core values in a political background)
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whatever arguments you have for atheism not motivating violence can be applied to religion (the core values are not sufficiently homogeneous enough to act as umbrella for the attributed acts of violence)
:shrug:
Oh. You don't know what it is, but you know religious people disagree with it. I see.
I think it would help if the sociologists offered some kind of opinion, rather than saying nothing so as to confuse the people they debate a sociological issue with.
Socratic Spelunker
Registered Senior Member
Actually, I didn't say it was that alone. Jan asked for an example of religious motivation, so I gave one. You asked for an example of a political motivation, so I gave one. We could spend months talking about this and not cover all the factors over decades that culminated in 9/11.
you said...
Please explain the ''religion'' in that statement, as opposed to politics?
jan.