Seattle
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In your opinion, don't forget in your opinion.
Should science replace religion?
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I can't speak for anyone else, but it would be helpful to me, if people stated ''in my opinion'' before they post their assertions. It would be helpful to me, because then, I'd know that there's room for discussion/debate. If someone couches something in terms that seem factual, but they're really an opinion, then it seems like an effort in futility to discuss the points further, if that makes sense. I'd say if we're discussing evolution for example, it's typically understood what is factual, and what isn't.
Anyway. That would be helpful. (in my opinion)
However, I've noticed that no one really does this here, how do you know when you're arguing against someone's opinion, or if that person is trying to convince you that their opinion is fact?
The argument/debating styles here are curious, to me.
Anyway. That would be helpful. (in my opinion)
However, I've noticed that no one really does this here, how do you know when you're arguing against someone's opinion, or if that person is trying to convince you that their opinion is fact?
The argument/debating styles here are curious, to me.
I hadn't considered that point.
Seattle
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You do, as in real life, and make no distinction. Most everything anyone says is option unless you are prone to discussing math proofs (in my opinion).I can't speak for anyone else, but it would be helpful to me, if people stated ''in my opinion'' before they post their assertions. It would be helpful to me, because then, I'd know that there's room for discussion/debate. If someone couches something in terms that seem factual, but they're really an opinion, then it seems like an effort in futility to discuss the points further, if that makes sense. I'd say if we're discussing evolution for example, it's typically understood what is factual, and what isn't.
Anyway. That would be helpful. (in my opinion)
However, I've noticed that no one really does this here, how do you know when you're arguing against someone's opinion, or if that person is trying to convince you that their opinion is fact?
The argument/debating styles here are curious, to me.
Okay. Fair enough. So, then we can agree that most everything we are posting, is opinion. I'm glad we discussed this, because then, I won't see you as lecturing.
Maybe that's just how you present your side of things, or how you like to debate. It's helpful (to me) to understand some of these nuances. It might also be helpful to know if one is an atheist or believer or religious, etc, in these threads...but, I think I've figured that out on my own, at this point. lol
Seattle
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Okay. Fair enough. So, then we can agree that most everything we are posting, is opinion. I'm glad we discussed this, because then, I won't see you as lecturing.
This conversation reminds me of husband/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend discussions.
A guy knows how to swim and his girlfriend wants him to teach her how to swim. He says "just float in the water and hold your breath to get relaxed" She says "I want to breathe while I'm in the water". He says "OK, turn you head to the side and breathe through your mouth and then close your mouth"
She says "I tried that and I almost drowned". He says "That why I wanted you to learn while holding your breath initially". She says "Well why didn't you explain it to me that way?".
At this point he has decided that maybe teaching his girlfriend anything isn't the best approach so he enrolls her in swim class at the YWCA.
I'll try to make my points by posting though Jeeves.
haha
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Seattle
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In your opinion.lol ^
We're all a work in progress.
I was confused if you meant that as a fact or as your opinion?When you say "we're all a work in progress" I'd like it better if you just spoke for yourself so could you say, next time, "I'm a work in progress, in my opinion"?
It's especially arrogant if it's true. Where do you get off being right at people, just because they don't know spit from Shinola? (Nobody uses shit on shoe... IMaO)
sculptor
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If god is god then god is outside the gender binary.
Yep. It would stand to reason that many people started identifying God with gender, based on the fact that according to many Christian sects, Jesus was considered to be God. Most prophets and ''messengers'' of the Abrahamic God have been male, so there might be an assumption that God might have male characteristics, as well.
Not in any religion where a god matters to the faithful.
Which religions refer to their deity as "It"?
Nothing started with Jesus. He's a latecomer to the pantheon. All previous deities have been distinctly male or female - no question, no ambiguity. Sex was important to people. Fertility was important.
See, this jumped-up Jehovah is not the model of godhood; he's the exception. And even so, he's never been anything but male. In the late 20th century, some western post-Christian spiritual types who were making their religion up the way they decorated their homes, picking what they liked from the Pottery Barn catalogue, thought it would be cute to start calling their god She.
Not It.
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Right. But for those in the West, the Abrahamic God is the dominant one, that comes to mind.
You mean, "Our Father, who art in heaven..." ? Allah , who doesn't even put souls in female babies? That god?
Islam doesn't teach that.
Well, if it's mandatory for fathers and brothers to kill any soiled girls in their family, Allah can't value those girls very highly; if dead guys to be given virgins in heaven, those virgins can't possibly have souls of their own, or free will or any of that fancy stuff spiritual stuffing men have.
There is no way you can finesse anything but a very large penis under the draperies of the Abrahamic god.
sculptor
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Religions come and go,
the abrahamic one seems to have had it's birth during the transition from pastoralist to farmers.
How many farmers we got left?
It has been claimed that GOD created mankind in GOD's own image.
ok?
Then, man, wholly incapable of comprehending god continues to create gods in man's own image.
the abrahamic one seems to have had it's birth during the transition from pastoralist to farmers.
How many farmers we got left?
It has been claimed that GOD created mankind in GOD's own image.
ok?
Then, man, wholly incapable of comprehending god continues to create gods in man's own image.
Why incapable of comprehending god? Men invented the concepts and have filled every possible role a god or goddess could play with the appropriate deity.
Jehovah may have been a pastoral god - first of horticulturists, then herders, then squatters, then settlers - but the Romans turned him urban and cosmopolitan, then promoted him to universal and shoved him out into space.
Maybe he'll keep drifting away into the galaxy, and finally out beyond the Rim, along with the Shadows and Vorlons ...
and maybe the new gods mankind invents won't have a definite gender -
but I guarantee: there will always be someone who understands them perfectly and is willing to tell us what they want.
Christianity was born in the city - it's a city religion.
That may be why it lacks the common benefits of deity based religion - the rules for good treatment of farmland and animals, the proscriptions on mistreatment of farmhands and such, the Jubilee resetting of debt and bondage.