Same ole, same ole

So then the U.S IS the holy land? You should really appreciate it then.

Of course, it has always been my dream to be treated like an especial case because of my color and religion. :bugeye:
 
Now imagine how easily all that suspicion would evaporate if only that tiny minority of moderates would just come out of the closet and turn in Uncle Ahmad when he and the cousins start talking about that silly "lesser jihad" thing and how "the kuffar will pay". Or, at least, before they're out buying nails and gas cannisters.

why should they have to apoligise? how many christians apologised for that abortion clinic bomber? or how many jews apologise everytime a jewish settler murders a palistinian family? why should muslims be held to such a higher standard than other religions?
 
why should they have to apoligise? how many christians apologised for that abortion clinic bomber? or how many jews apologise everytime a jewish settler murders a palistinian family? why should muslims be held to such a higher standard than other religions?

Because Christians don't support abortion clinic bombers, there are a very few radicals that did this sort of thing but I know of no Major Christian Religion that support such actions, I my self would turn in anyone that did such actions, I don't believe in abortion, but I don't believe that the chance of murdering someone is worth bombing a clinic, I don't know of any of the people in my church who have ever said bombing was ok, or any of the Churches that I attend, Now show were any of the main stream or even the evangelical condone such actions, if you would care to do some research in our country people who bomb clinics are hunted down arrested and tried and convicted, show me were the same is done in the Islamic Religion, hell they are promised 72 virgins and called martyrs and treated like heros for killing themselves and anyone they can take with them, nothing like that in the Western Religions.
 
why should they have to apoligise? how many christians apologised for that abortion clinic bomber? or how many jews apologise everytime a jewish settler murders a palistinian family? why should muslims be held to such a higher standard than other religions?

You misunderstand the difference between "apologize" and "turn in so that they can't perform terrorism". I would like the islamic community to report these people to the authorities when they hear about what they're doing, or when they do something suspicious. Apologies are meaningless. Yet there seems to be sentiment in the islamic community to the effect that many muslims wouldn't turn in a fellow muslim. This is the problem.
 
You misunderstand the difference between "apologize" and "turn in so that they can't perform terrorism". I would like the islamic community to report these people to the authorities when they hear about what they're doing, or when they do something suspicious. Apologies are meaningless. Yet there seems to be sentiment in the islamic community to the effect that many muslims wouldn't turn in a fellow muslim. This is the problem.

This Islamic community?

http://www.usembassyjakarta.org/lawmaker.html

http://www.yahyabirt.com/?p=66

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
 
Those are good, but there are a sizeable number that seem to slip through the cracks. Why is that, do you suppose? Are there a lot of muslims that believe in (it)jihad or something?

All Muslims believe in jihad; the anomaly is in what they consider to be jihad.

e.g. if I were to answer a questionnaire, do you support jihad, jihadists, palestinians, hezbollah, I would tick yes to all.

If however the questions were, do you support suicide bombers, killing civilians, I would definitely answer no.
 
and it's islamic in nature:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/594.html
http://home.att.net/~phosphor/week1a.html

islam is working overtime to pit blacks against whites in america. it thrives on bigotry and racism. no wonder our favorite intellectually dishonest propagandist picks on blacks and japanese and minorities in general.

please sam, do all of us a favor and plant a suicide bomb in the middle of nowhere.
 
All Muslims believe in jihad; the anomaly is in what they consider to be jihad.

e.g. if I were to answer a questionnaire, do you support jihad, jihadists, palestinians, hezbollah, I would tick yes to all.

If however the questions were, do you support suicide bombers, killing civilians, I would definitely answer no.

Well that's odd, because some of the people you ticked off in the first column - jihadists, hezbollah - would definitely have answered yes to the second column - suicide bombers, killing civilians.

It's odd that you decry Lal for his support of Hindutava, yet not yourself for your support of Hezbollah. ;)
 
I don't decry Lal for his support of Hindutva, but for for his support of the VHP and their demolition of the Babri Masjid, which led to riots across the country killings thousands, for the riots in Bombay, a place where one would never have expected communal violence, so that people were imported in trucks by the VHP to kill innocent people, for his support of a party which led to the worst bloodbath in Gujarat since the partition.

As for Israel, you already know my opinion on the matter of their occupation of Lebanon for 18 years, it hasn't changed. Last years demolition of the country and the million cluster bombs that are still killing people (in the face of their adamant refusal to provide maps) hardly makes it any different.

Nor does theor power play and continued occupation and oppression of Palestine. Israel, in its present course, is doomed to failure as a country.
 
So racism against blacks in America is due to Muslims? :rolleyes:
i would venture a damn good part of it is.
i never realized that islam was such a political force, but it is.
you can roll those eyeballs of yours all you want but you know exactly how islam is being used as a lever in america and elsewhere.
 
I don't decry Lal for his support of Hindutva, but for for his support of the VHP and their demolition of the Babri Masjid, which led to riots across the country killings thousands

Yet you excuse Hezbollah's murders in their thousands?

As for Israel, you already know my opinion on the matter of their occupation of Lebanon for 18 years, it hasn't changed...Israel, in its present course, is doomed to failure as a country.

Yes, they would probably make it much longer there if they just assumed the natural position of Jewish people in islamic society, which appears from history to be second class citizens. Strange that they refuse to abase themselves, the kuffar.
 
Yet you excuse Hezbollah's murders in their thousands?.

In defense? They target the military of a country that is constantly attacking them, that has several of their countrymen in prison, that has recently demolished their country's infrastructure for two soldiers (contrast this with the British soldiers in Iran and the British reaction).


Yes, they would probably make it much longer there if they just assumed the natural position of Jewish people in islamic society, which appears from history to be second class citizens. Strange that they refuse to abase themselves, the kuffar

Now compare that to US troops are in Afghanistan and Iraq, with their notions of secular liberation.:yawn:

Now reverse the situation. And tell me how ludicrous is your thinking?
 
why all the silence about my links sam?

or are you going to pass them off as minor, insignificant?
 
In defense? They target the military of a country that is constantly attacking them, that has several of their countrymen in prison, that has recently demolished their country's infrastructure for two soldiers (contrast this with the British soldiers in Iran and the British reaction).

Why kidnap the soldiers? Why arm? Do they honestly feel they could defeat the Israeli army in full? What nonsense. They cower behind inhabited buildings to launch rockets at the Israelis, who have been backed into a corner by the religious intransigence of their neighbours.

Now compare that to US troops are in Afghanistan and Iraq, with their notions of secular liberation.:yawn:

Are you implying that the US is in the midst of a religious crusade of conversion and subjugation?? Be serious. If they are, then it should be easy to show me the punitive taxes they levy on the conquered muslims in Iraq (and which are not applied against non-muslims); likewise, it should be simple to find pictures of the legions of Christian (or even secular) preachers that are flooding Iraq to convert people. No? Now tell me how ridiculous you must feel, defending the indefensible on the basis of common religion. :rolleyes: Sheer hypocrisy.
 
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