am i the only one to see that there are clearly war crimes being commited here
Russian massacres in Chechnya
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What's to discuss ? It's hard for an American to say much about it. Not to minimize the crimes involved, but it's small potatoes compared with Iraq -about on a par with Afghanistan.
There's no mystery about the general silence in the US public discourse regarding Chechnya. The US can't do much about it, and talking about it raises distinclty uncomfortable questions.
Do we claim that the Russian know how to get respect from cockroaches, with the respect the Russians have earned in Chechnya a prime example ?
*crickets chirping*
Whadayaknow... The [non] response here looks like a microcosm of the real world
The Islamic extremists hate the rusians for their shit as just as they hate the USA and Israel for their shit.
If I was a Russian I would say "just let Chechnya go". If Ossetia and Abkhazia then fight for independence, let them go to. Just hold on to Siberia.
But I am not Russian, I am American, so it pisses me of much more when America does something wrong.
And Russia is not any longer trying to dominate the world, only the USA is still run by people who actually think that their country might be able to dominate the world. This anti USA foreign policy sentiment that so many have is a lot more rational than the pro US foreign policy that others have.
Your implied but unspoken analogy fails to back up the idea that America critics are irrational America haters. There is no double standard. Russia is comparatively irrelevant to the world, while the USA is in everybody's faces.
How is Russia irrelevant? It is very much relevant and in everybody's business. If only Russia was as insignificant as I hope it becomes one day, the world would be a much simpler place.
Russian low self esteem and arrogance prevents it from just forgetting about its "loss of empire" and getting on with improving its citizens' lives at home, instead of trying hard to force things on their neighbours and stick it to the Americans, just to prove it to themselves that they still can. That's why they are reflexively against any policy the US comes up with, no matter the issue.
Kosovo, Iran, Hamas, NATO, former Soviet countries, missile defense shield, etc. etc.
That is why Putin has invested a retarded amount of money into new kinds of ultra modern weapons instead of Russian infrastructure.
That is also why Chechens were treated with such ruthlessness: "How dare you pesky terrorist street thugs rise against a superpower? We'll teach you a lesson you'll never forget!"
And guess what - they really are still a super power. Otherwise they would have been lynched over Chechnya by all those doublefaced Islamist and corrupt regimes all over the world.
It applies to the USA too, but I was mainly comparing these Russian massacres (which are, hyperbole aside, comparable to genocide), to the Israeli-"Palestinian" situation.
Russia kills: 160,000 --> in cold blood.
Israel kills: 5,500 --> mostly unintentionally.
Russia gets: almost no grief.
Israel gets: relentless hyperbolic propaganda in the world press, endless condemnations, global demonstrations by students and citizens, cultural boycotts, international arrest warrants for Israeli leaders, etc. etc.
And that's just a comparison to Russia. There are other conflicts which have claimed just as many lives as the Chechen wars (Darfur, Burma, Tibet, etc.), and only Israel gets such disproportional grief. I say 'disproportional' because the reference point against which I'm judging is the treatment other countries get.
Israelis are dumbfounded about this different treatment. Some can't come up with any explanation to it, so they have no choice but to conclude that it must be anti-Semitism. I'm not saying that it is that. I'm saying that it is not unreasonable for some to conclude that.
I am also saying, stop with the doublefaced hypocricy. If you don't criticize others then don't criticize Israel.
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the new threat from Czech republic radars and Polish rocket systems justifies our presidents' spending needs. In fact we need to set up rocket bases at Kaliningrad region of Baltic so that those rockets from Poland are intercepted before they hit Russia after launch from Poland. We need to increase many times the spending on nuclear ICBMS and anti-rocket systems, artillery, as well as new air vehicles so that we can safeguard the country of Russia from the West and NATO advances.
as for your 160,000 that Russia kills and "justifiable" 5000 by Israeli. its below a joke and a lie point level, a total lunacy at best.
as for your 160,000 that Russia kills and "justifiable" 5000 by Israeli.
its below a joke and a lie point level, a total lunacy at best.
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And that's why you are not a Russian, because no Russian thinks such way. Siberia is Russian territory, as all of Chechnya and Dagestan and Ingushetia and North Ossetia will soon be Russian as well.
If I was Russian and I am Russian, I say it is time to fight for the land we lost, it is time to take control of Georgia once and for all, to take control of Azerbaijan. We need to kick the Americans out of the Manas base from Kyrgyzstan, strengthen our military presence in Turkmenistan and Tadjikistan.
Now is the time that we follow the same tactics Americans used on us in Afghanistan, they supplied the rockets to destroy the Mi helicopters and so we will supply all the ammunition the Venezuela and Cuba need to rebel for their freedom against USA. It is time to install rocket bases in South America just as rocket bases are being installed in Poland and radar systems are installed in Czech Republic.
the new threat from Czech republic radars and Polish rocket systems justifies our presidents' spending needs. In fact we need to set up rocket bases at Kaliningrad region of Baltic so that those rockets from Poland are intercepted before they hit Russia after launch from Poland. We need to increase many times the spending on nuclear ICBMS and anti-rocket systems, artillery, as well as new air vehicles so that we can safeguard the country of Russia from the West and NATO advances.
as for your 160,000 that Russia kills and "justifiable" 5000 by Israeli.
NATO advances? NATO can't even get itself to send a tiny force to Afghanistan, and you think there is an imminent threat from them to RUSSIA?
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This is a severe case of paranoid delusion. It's the leftovers in peoples' minds of Soviet propaganda.
As for the "total lunacy", how many victims do you think there were?
draqon, the missiles in Poland will be interceptor missiles!
They won't be nuclear or anything.
Any way no western country would attack Russia, it's delusional, paranoia. You'd be better watching Chinese
Besides I wouldn't worry about Czech radars much, Latvian mobile radar installations can recognize any plane that flies over Moscow for years.
They won't be nuclear or anything.
Any way no western country would attack Russia, it's delusional, paranoia. You'd be better watching Chinese
Besides I wouldn't worry about Czech radars much, Latvian mobile radar installations can recognize any plane that flies over Moscow for years.
Haha, I used the same words, means we're onto something.
Besides it's no leftover Soviet propaganda, it's very much alive these days too.
What does advance are USA military bases in the region though.
And as both countries are classical empires Russia has a reason to worry about that. But USA != NATO, even if it gives much money to the organization.
draqon, the missiles in Poland will be interceptor missiles!
Latvian mobile radar?
all Soviet made. Too bad Latvia separated, but than it is its own country, independence is above all. Anyways we have to prepare for the worst, the enemy might have installed without international knowledge a nuclear missile here and there, maybe more radars in Baltic countries with USA cooperation. NATO has done successfull operations in Israel and Yugoslavia, has Afghanistan worked? Not sure...but they are still there.its like China and Russia, in analogy. And if I wasn't taking C++ how would I know the "!=" means "does not equal to"
because USA might use these rockets to control the government which it decides to invade, Iraq or Afghanistan. First its *hugs time* with the rocket against the evil Reds and than it *screw you time* with Americans suffering from the same equipment they themselves supplied.
The nuclear ICBMS underneath Poland on the newly building USA base will provide a much more success rate to eliminate Russia if a hazard arises. Most probable is that these ICBMS will not be used but they can be used as a fear element in government control, the same way Japan was conquered in two nuclear bombs worth.
I see a general concensus that in future all the Baltic countries like Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia will have some sort of NATO/USA bases on their land to retaliate against an aggressor which they will publically announce as Iran or North Korea meanwhile the target will be Russia. Therefore all these instances must be dealt of accordingly, appropriate defense measures must be taken to prevent the rockets/air vehicles from reaching Russian territory and killing the civilians. Main focus must be on increase of funding for satellite surveillance of these countries, as well. Possible scenarios of these countries use of armed forces of their own as well as NATO's must be simulated in software as well as real battle-scene simulation practice, chemical or biological warfare will be a usefull option to repel such an attack. Main emphasis must be placed on the role internationals play in the situation, so the advances of new planes and deliveries from say NATO must be cut off in the early stage before they are delployed on the field.
well those B2s will have hard time getting anywhere when their every location is being traced and a rocket is targeted at every one of them in case they decide to use their weapons. As well as nearby russian Su and Mig planes patroll these planes to prevent the deployment of the nuclear missiles on board in the early stage of the deployment.
it is never over.