It don't matter is the point because the people are free to dream the dream they choose. You can be a devil worshiping fool or a fun loving sex fiend worshiping Diana . You are free to meet your own fantasy face to face . We have lots of witches in America and they are not persecuted or stoned by the populace. Well maybe that Girl who ran for Office in the Senate I think that went around saying " I Am Not A Witch " was a little but it was more because the flaming lid made a big deal out of it
Remove "In God we Trust" from US currency.
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It don't matter is the point because the people are free to dream the dream they choose. You can be a devil worshiping fool or a fun loving sex fiend worshiping Diana . You are free to meet your own fantasy face to face . We have lots of witches in America and they are not persecuted or stoned by the populace. Well maybe that Girl who ran for Office in the Senate I think that went around saying " I Am Not A Witch " was a little but it was more because the flaming lid made a big deal out of it
I found a forum discussing these matters. I thought that two of the answers were interesting/funny:
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Those quotes don't mean a thing . They are people out of touch with reality spouting there particular brand of freedom expressed . They do not speak for all Americans because Americans are Free to speak what ever they want individually. I like Voodoo and I cherish the Voodoo I do. It is not spelled Voodoo either that is American bias at play. Lets see if I can remember / Vuedo or Vodue , I think it is the latter can't remember. Yeah Way I can be a Vodue Heathen because I am American and nobody and I mean no body can do a thing about it . I can worship Satan and burn meet as a sacrifice too.
Joey I love you Man . My ramblings are marked by the ideals of freedom , though they be hard to interpret they are far from incoherent when they fall on the ears that understand where the symbolism comes from . It is very ancient in origin . Maybe as old as May Day Festivals them selves and that my friend is the fight of the common person . You think it was an accident that people were killed on May the 3rd in Chicago when the unions where protesting the long work week . Yeah that one event shaped society as a whole when it brought back the May Day Festivals. We have the 40 hr work week to thank to those brave souls and the 40 hr. work week became the standard for the world and with out those people and there right to assemble, plus all the other common people in many countries at the same time in an orchestrated effort that stood in that era of history. At that point we were not all just gun down and forgotten because we have freedom
Voudoun, I believe...
But I'm not a big follower of the African faiths...they don't call me as much.
You can be a witch...but as the military Pagans at Fort Hood found out, you can get discriminated against. Somebody trashed their circle of standing stones and the C.O. ignored that...
But I'm not a big follower of the African faiths...they don't call me as much.
You can be a witch...but as the military Pagans at Fort Hood found out, you can get discriminated against. Somebody trashed their circle of standing stones and the C.O. ignored that...
right on with the right on . Except It is in Bondye we trust , O.K. lets change it , or we could change it to " In Masaaw we trust or Bolon Yokte We Trust
it don't matter to Me
I read about that and it was wrong . Terribly. It is the problem . It is called Cronyism and it is a cancer . Though we live by it in our individual lives every day by promotion of our friends over merit . I looked for the devil high and low on every road and as I past by the picture window at the department store I saw Him . It was Me, my own reflection
I also love Joey, Me-Ki, Chimpkin, Sci-Wri and others... Brew us a love potion Me-Ki <3<3<3
Enmos
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What do you mean? The USA is a Christian nation.
The people who say that want you to believe that it's ALL Christian
(It's a large majority, but not all)
They also want to take over the government.
Besides that being unconstitutional, I'm not part of the dominant faith, so, no, I'm not okay with what they want.
We have a secular government-separation of church and state- written into our constitution to protect any one faith or denomination running roughshod over the others.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of removing "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency.
It's just that Spider said that the U.S.A. is not a Christian nation, while the percentage of Christians is well above 50% (more like 75%).
In my opinion, one would have to be pretty dumb to believe that each and every U.S. citizen is a Christian.
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Ah...I guess the thing is is that I see people who want to make sure their faith and worldview continues to (let's face it) be given preferential treatment under law.
And it almost invariably seems to be about gays, transgendered people (I consider myself to fall under that umbrella, very loosely speaking) and religious minorities being fully returned to second-class status.
That and no liquor on Sunday.
Dammit, if I want to get sloshed on a sunny Sunday morning, it is my own business!
Oh, and hookers, because they have a crappy enough life without going to jail all the time.
Our REAL national motto should officially be "Out of many, one." It always was, just was not official.
And it almost invariably seems to be about gays, transgendered people (I consider myself to fall under that umbrella, very loosely speaking) and religious minorities being fully returned to second-class status.
That and no liquor on Sunday.
Dammit, if I want to get sloshed on a sunny Sunday morning, it is my own business!
Oh, and hookers, because they have a crappy enough life without going to jail all the time.
Our REAL national motto should officially be "Out of many, one." It always was, just was not official.
superstring01
Moderator
There. Gone. I don't care.
I'm not threatened by "In God We Trust" being on the currency.
I know as an ardent atheist believer in "separation", but this one I chalk up to tradition, like having a federal "Christmas" holiday and having about a gazillion monuments with religious words chiseled into them.
I like having Christmas, Thanksgiving and Easter off (though, at my company, while we're closed for Easter, it's an unpaid holiday). I don't "celebrate" Christ, but I also accept something that Fraggle said that makes sense: I can be an "atheist" and still enjoy the social traditions that have been passed on to me through religions. For me, they've evolved past the religious and into some enjoyable family celebrations that are rooted in some long dead beliefs. One day the deity of Christ will be as real to us as "that Blue Elephant god" is to Indians. Most will still celebrate Diwali long after they've let go of their religion. Why? Because it's just shit-tons of fun.
Likewise, I'm culturally a Judeo-Christian. I don't hate the holidays. I just celebrate them in my secular way. In a similar way, I recognize that it was Judeo-Christian traditions that contributed largely to the early history of this nation. One cannot separate Christianity from the basic philosophies from the history of the US. We can still be secular while nodding to the traditions of the past.
"In God We Trust". . . I tend to think it will have to go one day. It's pretty much an obvious statement of national belief. But, I'm not threatened by it. I loose sleep over bigger things. It'll go on its own one day when people wake up from their religions. I'm content with that. Plus, it's a learning tool for atheist children: See how desperately society clings to anything religious.
~String
I'm not threatened by "In God We Trust" being on the currency.
I know as an ardent atheist believer in "separation", but this one I chalk up to tradition, like having a federal "Christmas" holiday and having about a gazillion monuments with religious words chiseled into them.
I like having Christmas, Thanksgiving and Easter off (though, at my company, while we're closed for Easter, it's an unpaid holiday). I don't "celebrate" Christ, but I also accept something that Fraggle said that makes sense: I can be an "atheist" and still enjoy the social traditions that have been passed on to me through religions. For me, they've evolved past the religious and into some enjoyable family celebrations that are rooted in some long dead beliefs. One day the deity of Christ will be as real to us as "that Blue Elephant god" is to Indians. Most will still celebrate Diwali long after they've let go of their religion. Why? Because it's just shit-tons of fun.
Likewise, I'm culturally a Judeo-Christian. I don't hate the holidays. I just celebrate them in my secular way. In a similar way, I recognize that it was Judeo-Christian traditions that contributed largely to the early history of this nation. One cannot separate Christianity from the basic philosophies from the history of the US. We can still be secular while nodding to the traditions of the past.
"In God We Trust". . . I tend to think it will have to go one day. It's pretty much an obvious statement of national belief. But, I'm not threatened by it. I loose sleep over bigger things. It'll go on its own one day when people wake up from their religions. I'm content with that. Plus, it's a learning tool for atheist children: See how desperately society clings to anything religious.
~String