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You aren't going to like where Musika has taken you, if you ever do look around. Dawkins is pretty much right about those guys.
Whatever villain you need Musika to be speaks nothing of your role as corrupt prosecutor who can't win without the devices of turpitude.
Furthermore,
if Musika is what you need him to be,
then all you're doing is empowering him by mucking around so nonsensically. Look at Write4U's temper tantrums through this thread, and here is a comparative:
If Musika is all that and a bag of backend chips,
then you petty hacks bawling and wailing lamentations while laying palms in the street for him need to clean up, shut up, and get the hell out of the way so capable people can deal with the problem.
No, really. Religionists, over the years, haven't put up much of use around here, but the reason I tend to stay away from the subforum for extended periods is, in fact, the anti-religious bigotry. Remember, we're dealing with a range including those who don't think they need to know much about what they criticize. And, really, the excuse for everything that theists do it, too, or did it first, or whatever? As I've said before, it seems these atheistic advocates are merely
jealous.
Seriously. Consider that while I'm not a fan of quick-hit exchanges Musika is perfectly willing to raise and participate in, I have also recently had a seat in the strangest dispute that appears to start with insufficient fidelity to some abstract notion of atheism. And I know that sounds weird even if you aren't being your petulant, dualistic self, but still: I told someone they shouldn't have to make a certain rhetorical justification; that person asked me for clarification, and while I can't figure out the precise problem—in all these days and posts since, nobody has ever said—it has something to do with presuming atheism significant enough an influence in society to affect courses of given discussions; as near as I can tell—again, nobody comes right out and says it, but the constant barrage of response by accusing theists of something makes the point—atheism is supposed to be exclusively a victim. I actually would have thought having enough influence to require guarding against misuse would be some manner of progress, but something about that notion really offends some people. The resulting cascade of ostensibly atheistic bullshit reads more like ill-considered religionist provocateurs trying to discredit atheism.
Meanwhile, you're too caught up in personal bits and pieces and priorities to be useful.
But let us try it from a different vantage: If we indict, as such, "theism", or "religion", or a particular religionist, of some manner of rhetorical arson, then why is the response to hose the sector with accelerant? If one is to fret about the fire hazard, then why are those complaining booby-trapping the building with incendiary devices? At some point, the indictment against theism and religion, or even a particular advocate, stands independently. So how does one respond to the general indictment? I'm sorry, but pandering to cheap bigots just because they call themselves atheists isn't helpful; if an indictment against "religion", as such, is accurate, then dealing with the problem means understanding it.
And I really do get that it's a pain in the ass to go out of one's way to learn about something they hate, but, hey, if it's important enough to hate? Of course, learning some stuff along the way changes how we respond to, or even fashion the indictment, and if the answer includes that we eventually stop hating so much, then perhaps we understand why some people would refuse the journey.
You know, it's one thing if some newcomer or sock puppet wants to tell me what my religion is, but seriously, something about strawstuffed caricatures—
("You aren't going to like where Musika has taken you"? Well, y'know, you give him far too much credit on this point. But, hey, it's easier than dealing with reality, isn't it?)
—would go here, except we've already covered the point of being too caught up in yourself to be useful. Enlightened, rational people should behave, every once in a while, as if they are.
And for those, like you, what do you really want of religion? Some useful change for society by addressing philosophical and political shortfall? How about a perpetual caricature to spend the rest of your life railing against in order to feel like you're doing something useful because actually engaging the oft-excruciating slow processes of arguing historical dialectics is, well, yeah, often excruciating, and so much so that we expect it to be?
That you have sacrificed your intellect for the sake of religion doesn't mean I have, or anyone else should. It's not a matter of Musika's questions passing muster. It's just that if all this is so important, then fuck-all you dickin' 'round wi'this shit for? The biggest obstacle to dealing with the political ramifications of theism and religion simply should not be atheists.