Sure, but if the secular Zionists were to leave, would they be concerned with maintaining a Jewish state? Or would they rather live in peace with their neighbours as they have always done?
Relevant Excerpts Regarding War in Gaza.
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Sure, but if the secular Zionists were to leave, would they be concerned with maintaining a Jewish state? Or would they rather live in peace with their neighbours as they have always done?
Swarm: Is there some reason you are being disrespectful? The Western Judicial system is founded on the Jewish beiz-den rather than the Roman Court. The founding fathers were strongly aware of this.
S.A.M.: They should, that's the purpose of this thread. Showing that ideologically (From Torah excerpts) Orthodox Judaism supports war under certain circumstances. Try to remember that it's the Extreme-Orthodoxy that harasses civilian Palestinians, not "Zionists". Out of ignorance, not out of obligation.
S.A.M.: They should, that's the purpose of this thread. Showing that ideologically (From Torah excerpts) Orthodox Judaism supports war under certain circumstances. Try to remember that it's the Extreme-Orthodoxy that harasses civilian Palestinians, not "Zionists". Out of ignorance, not out of obligation.
Yes for land, please refer to 'Kings'. That's what virtually half of the book is about.
-From your link.
But there's no way to know the accreditation of this man, or his knowledge.
Israeli Judaism is a little different, there's no doubt...but it's not all bad. They do certain things that normal Judaism doesn't. For example, when living outside of Israel Orthodoxy has less of a career in the normal world. Inside Israel you HAVE to have a career, not everyone can be a business man. Many of the practices are different, but they are required. It's long been known that many of the traditions Jews held could not survive if the Jews had a nation, hell...ideally various holidays we celebrate are ideally supposed to disappear. The man writing this is clearly unaware that Judaism inside Israel is much less strict to certain adherences as Judaism outside Israel. Many of the Ultra-Orthodox in Israel seem to intentionally ignore this fact too, they have reasons which are complicated at unnecessary to explain right now.
Outside Israel, adherence to the Sabbath is MUCH more stringent. Inside Israel there are doctors...we can't let people die because it's the Sabbath. But no one has codified these laws until the mid 1900's...because there was no need.
In response to that:
One of the most articulate and vocal critics in Canada today of Israel's policies towards the Palestinians is Rabbi Reuben Slonim. He is a spiritual Zionist in the tradition of Ahad Ha-am. His criticisms of Israel's policies eventually led to a break with his congregation in Toronto. However, he does have a small, but devoted, following among the Canadian Jewish community. In 1983 he wrote:
Today we Jews are losing [the] humanism and universalism of Judaism, all for the sake of Jewish statehood. We love Israel, and so we should, but we are so blinded by that love that we are willing to pay a prohibitive price for it. We condone acts we would declare unconscionable anywhere else in the world: nuclear weapons are wrong but necessary for Israel; apartheid is wrong, but for the sake of Israel's survival we will tolerate it; human rights are critical, but not for the Palestinians; we have a right to a state but Palestinians do not. Our racism towards Arabs would be regarded as anti-Semitism if others spoke of us in the same light. In all things we need to remember that the Jewish people and the Jewish state are but instruments, not ends in themselves; that what is good for the world is good for the Jews, not what is good for the Jews is good for the world; that the ultimate goal of the Jew, if he be truly Jewish, is to serve humanity.
http://www.mepc.org/journal/9012_corrigan.asp
One of the most articulate and vocal critics in Canada today of Israel's policies towards the Palestinians is Rabbi Reuben Slonim. He is a spiritual Zionist in the tradition of Ahad Ha-am. His criticisms of Israel's policies eventually led to a break with his congregation in Toronto. However, he does have a small, but devoted, following among the Canadian Jewish community. In 1983 he wrote:
Today we Jews are losing [the] humanism and universalism of Judaism, all for the sake of Jewish statehood. We love Israel, and so we should, but we are so blinded by that love that we are willing to pay a prohibitive price for it. We condone acts we would declare unconscionable anywhere else in the world: nuclear weapons are wrong but necessary for Israel; apartheid is wrong, but for the sake of Israel's survival we will tolerate it; human rights are critical, but not for the Palestinians; we have a right to a state but Palestinians do not. Our racism towards Arabs would be regarded as anti-Semitism if others spoke of us in the same light. In all things we need to remember that the Jewish people and the Jewish state are but instruments, not ends in themselves; that what is good for the world is good for the Jews, not what is good for the Jews is good for the world; that the ultimate goal of the Jew, if he be truly Jewish, is to serve humanity.
http://www.mepc.org/journal/9012_corrigan.asp
Say then instead; "Some Orthodox Jews disagree with Israel" rather than "Orthodox Judaism disagrees with Israel."
The old addage...."2 Jews, 3 Opinions" is the cause here.
The old addage...."2 Jews, 3 Opinions" is the cause here.
Yes, because of a couple of similarities between Hebrew and English, and Superman's Kryptonian name, modern law is based off Jewish law.
Try Roman & English, for the US, anyway. The Founding Father's had a huge chubby for Neo-Classicism.
Oh Orthodox Judaism does disagree:
Torah opinion of the sages of the sephardim in Jerusalem
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ssages.html
Grand Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum:
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ztheresy.html
Torah opinion of the sages of the sephardim in Jerusalem
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ssages.html
Grand Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum:
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ztheresy.html
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Slaves in the US lived in peace with their neighbours for many years also.
1. A large percentage of Israel is Sephardic, they even use the Sephardic dialect.
2. Anti-Zionism is a loud loud force, not a large large force in the Jewish world.
3. I don't make decisions by Sephardic Rabbis, I am Ashkenaz.
4. There's only one Sephardic sage in existence today who has the lawful accreditation to posek (Make decisions), and none of these 3 are him. He happens to live in Israel.
Rav Kook - Posek (Highest accreditation) of Pre-Israel, Chief Rabbi directly preceding the entry into Israel
- His accreditation is the highest that can exist of Rabbis today. He's allowed to make Rabbinical laws, a rare quality in Rabbis. His word is the word of the Jews in most cases.
Sam, I'm curious: do Christians and Jews ejected from - what is it? every other country in the islamic world - have the right to not consent and get their lands back?
Maybe your response would be in the "love it or leave it" category you selectively favour.
Maybe your response would be in the "love it or leave it" category you selectively favour.
Ahh, but the consent was given for a small piece of land. Once they have legally acquired one piece of land they were legally allowed to proceed into other pieces of land.