Let's just call them 'groids then. Much easier.
Rap or Crap?
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As an unfathomably generous extension of my courtesy I refer to rap as 'music'. However, all it is is 'poetry' to some beats.
Would those who enjoy rap find rap in another language enjoyable? I would expect not. It is about the words and the attitude - it's NOT about the music.
Whereas, I only enjoy the German version of Mozart's Die Zauberflote - because in English I can hear how bad the story is!
Would those who enjoy rap find rap in another language enjoyable? I would expect not. It is about the words and the attitude - it's NOT about the music.
Whereas, I only enjoy the German version of Mozart's Die Zauberflote - because in English I can hear how bad the story is!
what is music according to you blue? I am beeing very serious.
To me music is sound. Sound is music. Perhaps not good music...
To illustrate this I recommend John Cage's 4'33. I think I'll listen to it right now.
To illustrate this I recommend John Cage's 4'33. I think I'll listen to it right now.
I grew up listening to rap and I hate what it has become. The industry is full of nigga ignorance and professional ice flossers.
Nigga Ignorance – An African or so-called black man that embraces his ignorance and the ignorance in his or her environment. For example, some rappers glorify violence and they think that it is cool to keep it real. Keeping it real can involve doing stupid things like committing felonies that could send you to prison for the rest of your life.
Professional Ice Flossers – A cocky, arrogant, man that loves jewelry almost as much as he loves women. (Also known as bitched, hoes, and pigeons.) Most professional ice flossers do not know how to manage their money in a logical way. Many of them lose their immense fortunes after spending a large percentage of their net worth on items to attract women and make other men feel inferior.
Most rappers don’t really have any musical talent. They can't compose music. They can't play instruments. Most of them have lyrical skills that are poor to average on a good day. And most of them have absolutely noting new or interesting say. They just keep repeating themselves over and over again. "Look at how much money I have. Look at my luxury cars. Do you see my diamonds? Look at them. Look at all of the beautiful bitches that I am fucking.
It is unfortunate, but simple and unsophisticated rap music is usually more profitable than sophisticated rap music. Some executives in the music industry are unwilling to give contracts to rap artist that make positive or sophisticated music.
People enjoy entertainment that they can relate to. Think about your favorite movies. I am sure that all of your favorite movies contain real or fictional characters that you can relate to. Some of these characters could be role models for you because you would like to be like them. Perhaps the events in one of your favorite movies were similar to something that you experienced in your life.
It is unfortunate, but the majority of the people listening to rap music in the U.S.A cannot relate to the artists that make sophisticated music. People want simple lyrics and they are satisfied with simple music. We are living in a world that is over populated with simpletons. Most people that listen to rap quickly lose interests when rappers begin to talk about something other than their material possessions, their sexual activities, or the fact that they are not afraid to kill someone.
The music that people make is no different than the sounds that birds make. It is a way to attract members of the opposite sex and let those around you know who you are. There are many rappers out there that had live experiences that are similar to best selling rappers like 50 Cent. The only difference is that their music did not sell as well because they were too sophisticated and they did not have the proper people around them to help them. Some of these men were rapping about the same things as 50 CENT. But they were doing it in a sophisticated way that most rap fans in poor black neighborhoods could not relate to. And then there are millions of rap fans in rich and upper middle class neighborhoods that think it is cool to live the life of a gangster. Most of the rap fans in this group don't want to hear rap music with a positive message.
The unsophistication in rap music goes far beyond the lyrics. It is also a part of the music. It is very simple to make a rap beat with a keyboard or a program like Fruity Loops or Reason. Anyone with a small amount of musical talent could do it. There are many people that I know that would rather listen to the simplicity of most rap beats than the complexity of Jazz or classical music. And then there is the pop culture aspect of rap. Some people don't care if the music is sophisticated. They just want to hear something that makes them want to dance.
Nigga Ignorance – An African or so-called black man that embraces his ignorance and the ignorance in his or her environment. For example, some rappers glorify violence and they think that it is cool to keep it real. Keeping it real can involve doing stupid things like committing felonies that could send you to prison for the rest of your life.
Professional Ice Flossers – A cocky, arrogant, man that loves jewelry almost as much as he loves women. (Also known as bitched, hoes, and pigeons.) Most professional ice flossers do not know how to manage their money in a logical way. Many of them lose their immense fortunes after spending a large percentage of their net worth on items to attract women and make other men feel inferior.
Most rappers don’t really have any musical talent. They can't compose music. They can't play instruments. Most of them have lyrical skills that are poor to average on a good day. And most of them have absolutely noting new or interesting say. They just keep repeating themselves over and over again. "Look at how much money I have. Look at my luxury cars. Do you see my diamonds? Look at them. Look at all of the beautiful bitches that I am fucking.
It is unfortunate, but simple and unsophisticated rap music is usually more profitable than sophisticated rap music. Some executives in the music industry are unwilling to give contracts to rap artist that make positive or sophisticated music.
People enjoy entertainment that they can relate to. Think about your favorite movies. I am sure that all of your favorite movies contain real or fictional characters that you can relate to. Some of these characters could be role models for you because you would like to be like them. Perhaps the events in one of your favorite movies were similar to something that you experienced in your life.
It is unfortunate, but the majority of the people listening to rap music in the U.S.A cannot relate to the artists that make sophisticated music. People want simple lyrics and they are satisfied with simple music. We are living in a world that is over populated with simpletons. Most people that listen to rap quickly lose interests when rappers begin to talk about something other than their material possessions, their sexual activities, or the fact that they are not afraid to kill someone.
The music that people make is no different than the sounds that birds make. It is a way to attract members of the opposite sex and let those around you know who you are. There are many rappers out there that had live experiences that are similar to best selling rappers like 50 Cent. The only difference is that their music did not sell as well because they were too sophisticated and they did not have the proper people around them to help them. Some of these men were rapping about the same things as 50 CENT. But they were doing it in a sophisticated way that most rap fans in poor black neighborhoods could not relate to. And then there are millions of rap fans in rich and upper middle class neighborhoods that think it is cool to live the life of a gangster. Most of the rap fans in this group don't want to hear rap music with a positive message.
The unsophistication in rap music goes far beyond the lyrics. It is also a part of the music. It is very simple to make a rap beat with a keyboard or a program like Fruity Loops or Reason. Anyone with a small amount of musical talent could do it. There are many people that I know that would rather listen to the simplicity of most rap beats than the complexity of Jazz or classical music. And then there is the pop culture aspect of rap. Some people don't care if the music is sophisticated. They just want to hear something that makes them want to dance.
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Thats why i don't like rap music, because the Rap that i do hear and that most people follow is the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... well you get the point... again!
I have a high tolerance to most other music styles, including country... which to me is incredibly crap but at the end of the day better then most other stuff you'll hear.
In my opinion the best music you'll ever find is classical, the music i prefer to listen is rock, the music i want to dissappear of the face of the planet is rap
Thats why i don't like rap music, because the Rap that i do hear and that most people follow is the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... well you get the point... again!
I have a high tolerance to most other music styles, including country... which to me is incredibly crap but at the end of the day better then most other stuff you'll hear.
In my opinion the best music you'll ever find is classical, the music i prefer to listen is rock, the music i want to dissappear of the face of the planet is rap
Rap can be done with no melody.
Rap can go to a beat without the need for any melody, and vocalized in monotone.
Something as simple as lyrics to a beat makes rap music.
Rap is music and poetry at the same time.
If the lyrics do not abide by a specific beat, it is called simple poetry.
Much of the rappers also do poetry readings.
Creating poetry is far easier than creating rap songs because poetry does not abide by the rules of rap-music.
Although the lyrics are poetic, rap-music must abide by a beat.
American rap culture is also important. Ignorant people do not like the rap culture. It is the realest culture there is. Commonly known as the "hip hop" culture, it is as expression of everything from life, knowledge, sex, violence, money, and street life as a whole. The truly ignorant culture is the rich who turn a blind eye to world problems, and steal money from the poor.
Rap can go to a beat without the need for any melody, and vocalized in monotone.
Something as simple as lyrics to a beat makes rap music.
Rap is music and poetry at the same time.
If the lyrics do not abide by a specific beat, it is called simple poetry.
Much of the rappers also do poetry readings.
Creating poetry is far easier than creating rap songs because poetry does not abide by the rules of rap-music.
Although the lyrics are poetic, rap-music must abide by a beat.
American rap culture is also important. Ignorant people do not like the rap culture. It is the realest culture there is. Commonly known as the "hip hop" culture, it is as expression of everything from life, knowledge, sex, violence, money, and street life as a whole. The truly ignorant culture is the rich who turn a blind eye to world problems, and steal money from the poor.
cool skill said:
Mostly the sex and violence and money though....and none of the knowledge.
Sure....like the rappers who "made it" give a fuck about the poor. Or did I miss 50 cent donating millions to africa?
cool skill said:
You are a racist piece of shit.
cool skill said:
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Good point but I haven't heard any rap about uniting blacks, whites and browns and fighting cops, the government and their bodyguard the military. The lyrics I've heard are all about drugs, fucking bitches, killing other poor blacks and the persistant 'muthafuckamuthafuckamutha.' Not to mention rap about personal wealth, rims, gold teeth, rich people cars and fancy rich people houses. Absolutely nothing politically redeeming whatsoever. Maybe it will evolve into something useful someday, so far there's no sign of that happening.cool skill said:
shaman_ said:
Do you want to listen to some intelligent rap in the present? Check out the list of rappers in my post on the first page of Da Best Rap Songs thread. A lot of people are unaware of the intellectual poets that make rap music. You usually wont see them on MTV because their music does not sell as well as the gangsta rap / hip pop / crap that most rap fans in America listen to. Here are some lyrics from one of the artist.
Artist – Talib Kweli
Album – Black Star
Determination – Second verse
Knowledge it self is like life after death.
With that you never worry about your last breath.
Death comes that’s how I’m living.
It’s the next stage.
The flesh goes underground.
The book of life flip the page.
Yo they’re asking me how old.
Were living the same age.
I feel the rage of a million niggas locked inside a cage.
At exactly which point do you start to realize.
That life without knowledge is death in disguise.
That’s why knowledge it self is like life after death.
Apply it to let your destiny manifest.
Different day same confusion.
Were going to take this hip hop ship and keep it moving.
Shed a little light.
Now your blooming like a flower with the power of the evident.
Voices and drums original instruments.
In the flesh presently representing my representation.
Thieves In The Night – First verse
Give me the fortune keep the fame said my man Louis.
I agreed know what he means because we live the truest lie.
I asked him why were following the law of the blue inside.
He looked at me he thought about it.
He was like I’m clueless why.
The question was rhetorical.
The answer is horrible.
Our morals are out of place.
Unguided lives feel the sorrow.
And so tomorrow is coming later than the usual.
Waiting on someone to pity us.
While were finding beauty in the hideous.
They say money is the root of all evil.
But I can’t tell.
You know what I mean.
Pesos, francs, yens, carrousels dollar bills.
Or is it the mind state that’s ill.
Creating crime rates to fill the new prisons they build.
Over money and religion there’s more blood to spill.
Some wounded slaves in cotton fields that never heal.
What’s the deal.
A lot of cats that buy records is straight broke.
But my language is universal.
They’ll be reciting my quotes.
While R&B singers hit bad notes.
We rock the boat of thought that my man Louis’s statements just provoked.
Caught up in conversations of my personal worth.
Brought up through endangered species status on the planet earth.
Survival tactics means busting gats to prove you’re hard.
Your firearms are too short to box with god.
Without faith all of that is illusionary.
Raise my son no vindication of manhood necessary.
Chorus with Talib Kweli and Mos Def
Not strong
Only aggressive
Not free
Were only licensed
Not compassionate
Only polite
Now who’s the nicest
Not good but well behaved
Chasing after death so we can call ourselves brave
Still living like mental slaves
Hiding like thieves in the night from life
Illusions of oasis making you look twice.
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