Pornography
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in a way I would say yes.
Sexuality has often been described as a way of grounding the higher intellectual thoughts.
Pornography tends to get the philosopher thinking earthy physical thoughts. So in this way it distracts from the higher pursuits.
In the esoteric sciences the sexual vibration is very low and very physical the colour being a sort of burnt orange.
When exploring the sexual realms it is thought that the thinking processes are at this vibration. It's a bit hard to have good sex and think about Plato at the same time.
For some philosophers the sexual act is an extreme way of keeping in touch with reality thus it's grounding effect.
The problem is in the balancing of all these energies so that a comfortable medium can be achieved.
Sexuality has often been described as a way of grounding the higher intellectual thoughts.
Pornography tends to get the philosopher thinking earthy physical thoughts. So in this way it distracts from the higher pursuits.
In the esoteric sciences the sexual vibration is very low and very physical the colour being a sort of burnt orange.
When exploring the sexual realms it is thought that the thinking processes are at this vibration. It's a bit hard to have good sex and think about Plato at the same time.
For some philosophers the sexual act is an extreme way of keeping in touch with reality thus it's grounding effect.
The problem is in the balancing of all these energies so that a comfortable medium can be achieved.
According to Socrates through Plato's Phaedo
The Body knows pleasure through senses, whereas the sould gains wisdom through the intellect. The ultimate of philosphy, can be achieved only when the sould is no longer deceived by sessual pleasures. So, the Philosopher's soul longing to be free of bodily wants , desires an escape fom the body's sntrapment.
This is the most important part: From body's lusts and fears come fighting, greed and warbut from the intelelct come justice and beauty.
So, yes Pornography is bad for a philospher and it hinders the thought for sure.
The Body knows pleasure through senses, whereas the sould gains wisdom through the intellect. The ultimate of philosphy, can be achieved only when the sould is no longer deceived by sessual pleasures. So, the Philosopher's soul longing to be free of bodily wants , desires an escape fom the body's sntrapment.
This is the most important part: From body's lusts and fears come fighting, greed and warbut from the intelelct come justice and beauty.
So, yes Pornography is bad for a philospher and it hinders the thought for sure.
I don't know. Sex could be a muse for resplendent, contemplative thoughts, in philosophy and definetly for the literary arts. I see it this way, it depends on how the philosopher approaches his art. Through utter seclusion from any sensual desries and distractions or through embracing every aspect of life, be it "harmful" to his profession or not.
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I think that containing sexual urges and building up that tension leads to the best possible explosion of creative ideas, energy, and philosophical ideas .Pornography is also addictive
The old saying "Do it to much and you'll go blind" has some relevance to this discussion.
It could be said that sex can blind a person to loftier pursuits. And that sexual craving can diminish the ability to see clearly. I would even say that this is quite proveable.
However to deny ones sexuality is also blinding the person to the physicality of life as well.
Maybe there needs to be a distictinction between pornography and the reality of sexual relations.
Pornography is designed to inspire a fantasy, a fiction, an unreality.
Losing ones self to pornography could be a form of escapism.
Too much pornography could lead to a distorted view of real sexuality. ( as often is seen to be the case)
The men and women etc. that are portrayed in pornography are being used by the viewer with out consideration for the reality of the persons portrayed. And in this sense could be construed as a form of self abuse.
I use the vagueness of "Could" deliberately. For this is not always the case.
It could be said that sex can blind a person to loftier pursuits. And that sexual craving can diminish the ability to see clearly. I would even say that this is quite proveable.
However to deny ones sexuality is also blinding the person to the physicality of life as well.
Maybe there needs to be a distictinction between pornography and the reality of sexual relations.
Pornography is designed to inspire a fantasy, a fiction, an unreality.
Losing ones self to pornography could be a form of escapism.
Too much pornography could lead to a distorted view of real sexuality. ( as often is seen to be the case)
The men and women etc. that are portrayed in pornography are being used by the viewer with out consideration for the reality of the persons portrayed. And in this sense could be construed as a form of self abuse.
I use the vagueness of "Could" deliberately. For this is not always the case.
this could also be a religious question and I'll post it there as well but for this thread it isn't as such a religious question.
Why do you think that religions such as Christianity and Islam have such strong views about pronography? IN the context of this discussion about how pornograpghy may or can diminish our higher thought processes.
Why do you think that religions such as Christianity and Islam have such strong views about pronography? IN the context of this discussion about how pornograpghy may or can diminish our higher thought processes.
My opinion
The problem for the philospher is that regardless of how much he/she wants to be free of his/her body the body is necessary for his/her survival.
The body, including it's sexual needs, are all part of the picture.
One could ask how denying ones sexuality distorts the thinking processes as well, if distortion is the right word.
Just like eating, shiting and peeing, sexuality is also just a fundemental of physicallity.
But because pornography requires fantasy to work the imagination is more taxed than say the act of eating ( not entirely true of course)
The middle ground is to find a balance that you and your society is comfortable with. With out excesses of denial or over indulgence.
In other words we have to accept that we can't always get what we want.
The problem for the philospher is that regardless of how much he/she wants to be free of his/her body the body is necessary for his/her survival.
The body, including it's sexual needs, are all part of the picture.
One could ask how denying ones sexuality distorts the thinking processes as well, if distortion is the right word.
Just like eating, shiting and peeing, sexuality is also just a fundemental of physicallity.
But because pornography requires fantasy to work the imagination is more taxed than say the act of eating ( not entirely true of course)
The middle ground is to find a balance that you and your society is comfortable with. With out excesses of denial or over indulgence.
In other words we have to accept that we can't always get what we want.
Yes, you added immensly to it.
democritus
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Hmm... I believe pornography and sex can be addictive- and therefore can cloud the mind. And a clouded mind can lead to revolutionary ideas; yet most of the time leads to nothing.
David Mayes
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If we define Pornography just as consentual explicit sex, then I have no problem with it.
OTOH, if we define it as it typically exists, then it is a degrading practice with the absurd notion of trying to portray women as loving cum.....ask your girlfriend to be so obliging and see how she reacts
There are other disturbing practices that occur, but that's enough for now.
So degrading pornography is inconsistent with moral philosophy, but watching explicit sex, especially when the women are gorgeous is hardly undesirable or intellectually compromising IMO.
OTOH, if we define it as it typically exists, then it is a degrading practice with the absurd notion of trying to portray women as loving cum.....ask your girlfriend to be so obliging and see how she reacts
There are other disturbing practices that occur, but that's enough for now.
So degrading pornography is inconsistent with moral philosophy, but watching explicit sex, especially when the women are gorgeous is hardly undesirable or intellectually compromising IMO.
David Mayes
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What, no-one has a view on this, for ****sakes what's wrong with you ****ing people?
David Mayes:
Try dating live women.
Pornography is occasionally necessary, visual stimulation to facilitate fantasy. Fantasy is often more straightforward than having to go out and deal with all the inane social conventions surrounding getting laid. Ergo, pornography is useful for satisfying one's sexual needs without wasting too much time doing so. Practicality frees the mind.
That we even have to discuss this shows how dumbassed society has gotten. You all suck.
Try dating live women.
Pornography is occasionally necessary, visual stimulation to facilitate fantasy. Fantasy is often more straightforward than having to go out and deal with all the inane social conventions surrounding getting laid. Ergo, pornography is useful for satisfying one's sexual needs without wasting too much time doing so. Practicality frees the mind.
That we even have to discuss this shows how dumbassed society has gotten. You all suck.
David Mayes
Registered Senior Member
Xev.
Do you make a distinction between pornography as just explicit sex and thus acceptable, and the degrading lie-based content that usually appears in most porno?
David Mayes
Registered Senior Member
Pornography can be either...but that's not my point.
It's one thing to tell mom and dad you're going to have sex on film, it's quite another to tell them that you're going to place a shit smeared penis in you mouth as well....LOL.