Please Debate This The Secret Sayings of Jesus

Jesus said to his disciples:
Make comparisons; tell me what I am like.
Simon Peter said to him:
You are like a just angel.
Matthew said to him:
You are like a wise philosopher.
Thomas said to him:
Master, my mouth will in no way endue
my saying what you are like.
Jesus said:
I am not your master.
-> Jesus is not the lord as many say


Jesus said to them:
When you make the two one,
and make the inside like the outside,
and the outside like the inside,
and the upper side like the under side,
and in such a way that you make the man
with the woman a single one,
in order that the man is not man and the
woman is not woman;...
then you will go into the kingdom.
please help me to undersand this



Jesus said:
Perhaps men think that I came
to cast peace on the world;
and they do not know that I came
to cast divisions upon the earth,
fire, sword, war.
For five will be in a house;
there will be three agianst two and two against three,
the father against the son and the son against the father.
And they will stand because they are single ones.
Jesus and christianity doesn't bring peace to this world




I am the light
which is over everything.
I am the All;
from me the All has gone forth,
and to me the All has returned.
Split wood: I am there.
Lift up the stone, and you will find me there.
church institution is not required



The disciples said to Jesus:
Tell us in what way our end will take place.
Jesus said:
You have indeed uncovered the beginning
so that you may seek the end;
for in the place where the beginning is,
there the end will be.
Blessed is he who will stand in the beginning,
and will know the end and will not taste death.
how to understand tha line?


Jesus said:
If you do not fast to the world,
you will not find the kingdom;
if you do not truly keep the Sabbath,
you will not see the Father.
don't you even think about working on Saturtdays


Jesus said:
Many stand before the door,
but the single ones are those who will enter into the bridechamber.
single god believers?

Jesus said:
He who has known the world has found a corpse,
and he who has found a corpse,
of him the world is not worthy.
you have to be arrogant to get into heaven
wow! big surprise:D



His disciples said:
Show us the place where you are
for it is necessary for us to seek it.
He said to them:
He who has ears, let him hear!
There is light within a light-man
and it illuminates the whole world;
if it does not illuminate it, it is darkness.

no original sin then?
 
Sooo you all like odds? pick a number that is between 1 and 10... since there are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 10 the chances are zero (1/infinity=0) that you will pick any one number! and, yet, you will pick a number... how can the chance be zero? simple you will pick a number that makes sense (probably a whole number) moral: you can make anything a whole lot more complex than it really is if you want to. there are three types of lies in this world; lies damned lies and statistics. the sooner you get this through your scull the better. as for your 10^17 number..... i know that seems huge but divide it by the number of known stars in the sky (i don't know what this number is but it's also huge) these are your new odds for life on another planet where the circumstances are "perfect" not nearly so bad

~Jeremy
-ps i do believe in god but i do NOT believe in church... too many humans fucking everything up with their "superiority" complex ---i think the diests had something going
 
Originally posted by myself
-ps i do believe in god but i do NOT believe in church... too many humans fucking everything up with their "superiority" complex ---i think the diests had something going
Sounds to me like you should become a Drlounatian or wuslim:cool:
Would you be willing to accept that the planet earth IS this god you speak of? Fuck it! It doesn't matter! Go fuck a hooker and drink a 40! Drlounatianity is very laid back:cool:
 
Avatar. It is useless trying to understand Thomas if you haven't read the Bible. The gospel of Thomas is a later writing, and whoever wrote it must have had the gospels (Pauls letters, etc.) His theology would have followed from them. It's a lot of reading, but you asked for it.

Jesus said to his disciples:
Make comparisons; tell me what I am like.
Simon Peter said to him:
You are like a just angel.
Matthew said to him:
You are like a wise philosopher.
Thomas said to him:
Master, my mouth will in no way endue
my saying what you are like.
Jesus said:
I am not your master.
1.Jesus wasn't their master. God is.
Mark 10:18
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone.

Jesus said to them:
When you make the two one,
and make the inside like the outside,
and the outside like the inside,
and the upper side like the under side,
and in such a way that you make the man
with the woman a single one,
in order that the man is not man and the
woman is not woman;...
then you will go into the kingdom.
2.When you value the unity that God intended with marriage (that two will be one, and faithful), the dimensions and conventions of the unity are irrelevant.

Jesus said:
Perhaps men think that I came
to cast peace on the world;
and they do not know that I came
to cast divisions upon the earth,
fire, sword, war.
For five will be in a house;
there will be three agianst two and two against three,
the father against the son and the son against the father.
And they will stand because they are single ones.
3.Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Read the rest, and then speak to a Muslim who decided to become Christian.

I am the light
which is over everything.
I am the All;
from me the All has gone forth,
and to me the All has returned.
Split wood: I am there.
Lift up the stone, and you will find me there.
4.Deuteronomy 28:64
Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods-gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.
John 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

The disciples said to Jesus:
Tell us in what way our end will take place.
Jesus said:
You have indeed uncovered the beginning
so that you may seek the end;
for in the place where the beginning is,
there the end will be.
Blessed is he who will stand in the beginning,
and will know the end and will not taste death.
5. i.e. believed in Jesus:
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Jesus said:
If you do not fast to the world,
you will not find the kingdom;
if you do not truly keep the Sabbath,
you will not see the Father.
6.Perfectly in line with the commandment "keep my Sabbath holy".
Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy.
Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Matthew 12:8
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.
11He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."

Jesus said:
Many stand before the door,
but the single ones are those who will enter into the bridechamber.
7.Very cryptic, but 'single ones' might refer to people who serve no other gods.
Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Jesus said:
He who has known the world has found a corpse,
and he who has found a corpse,
of him the world is not worthy.
8.The world is dead, and once you realize that you can know what life really means... but read further:
Heb.11:38. - the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.
39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

His disciples said:
Show us the place where you are
for it is necessary for us to seek it.
He said to them:
He who has ears, let him hear!
There is light within a light-man
and it illuminates the whole world;
if it does not illuminate it, it is darkness.
9.Jesus is that light - if you look and you don't see him, either your eyes are closed, or you are blind. Either way, you won't find "the place where he is" anywhere else but with God. Nothing to do with sin, directly - but sin is when you don't follow God's commandments, when you stray out of the light.

Matthew 6
22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.


Thomas probably wasn't canonized because it's so cryptic. What we alreay have is far clearer and straightforward. But some people like mysteries, I guess...
 
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