No, from what I read last night, he did not.
Try looking beyond wikipedia
No, from what I read last night, he did not.
Try looking beyond wikipedia
Because the truth is perspective to the individual in the following sense:Yes, this is a "Conspiracy," alright...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/feb/24/usa.schools
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-207079/Evolution-banned-US-schools.html
Guess the Illuminati did a poor job with the cover-up, huh?
No, from what I read last night, he did not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
Yes, quite scientific and rational.
Must be an anti-conspiracy.
How about just finding the truth- period. Not finding the "truth" you want.
That is why we do not impose one truth.
I'm actually educated about Evolution, well enough to see crap when I see crap.
Says who? that claim is almost always used to provide questionable doubt as to the veracity of 'religionists' claims.but science does not have all the answers.
Digested and vomited."For invincible reasons of homogeneity and coherence, the fibers of cosmogenesis require to be prolonged in ourselves far more deeply than flesh and bone. We are not being tossed about and drawn along in the vital current merely by the material surface of our being. But like a subtle fluid, space-time, having drowned our bodies, penetrates our soul. It fills it and impregnates it. It mingles with its powers, until the soul soon no longer knows how to distinguish space-time from its own thoughts."
That depends on what you think the modern synthesis is. And it doesn't matter what most scientists think. It matters what they know. The evidence for a non-teleological process speaks for itself. It's the overwhelming agreement by the scientific community that the evidence speaks against teleology that is, for one thing, the reason this thread is relegated to the "fringe theories" category.The modern synthesis is seen incomplete by most scientists,
but that's the whole point of all of this. Otherwise there would be no argument and we would be discussing actual evidence.now I am not saying they are searching for metaphysical mechanisms as a replacement at all,
Shapiro has not overturned any basic premise of evolution. Creatures still diverge, adapt and evolve by natural selection. One of his main arguments about genetic informatics deals with his own estimates of how observed mutation rates don't match his model, therefore there must be an underlying mechanism at play which he calls natural genetic engineering. Arguments such as this are good for trying to fully understand genome functionality, but no one is there yet, including him. Shapiro's central message is that there is more to the story than meets the eye, which is always true in science, and he serves as a reminder that it's bad science to oversimplify. All of that is fine except for the basic problem. With the fundamentalist argument, there would not be so much oversimplification. We would be talking about evidence instead of belief.but some researchers such as James A. Shapiro seem to be saying perhaps teleology might have a place in evolution.
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Originally Posted by Aqueous Id
Does "leaving the light on" include burying the sum of human knowledge under a rock? Anti-knowledge is sufficiently self-inflicted that it requires little bashing. It collapses under its own fallacy.
The problem with the beliefs you are referring to is that they have invaded the classroom and done considerable damage to the public psyche. They pretend to be moral in principle or divinely inspired but in practice are as dishonest as their Judas and as deceptive as their mythical devil.
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What has invaded the classroom and done considerable damage to the public psyche? Who is they?
I am no fan of their propaganda war and the harm it inflicts.Mazuli, Aqueous Id is no fan of Christianity
Maybe I need to say propaganda more often since you missed that.and he seems to bring it into most of his posts,
I guess you can't google either.he seems to supporting some kind of conspiracy theory that Christians are wanting to control science and replace it with metaphysics.
If you notice, he is not even mentioned in any curriculum on biology.I would point out that yes even though Chardin might of been a Catholic he produced some sound arguements, for example his concept of noosphere is fascinating but lots of what he said was scientific about the fossil record etc.
He was a Catholic, which is obviously Christian. In fact, if I recall my history correctly, all modern western Christianity derives from Catholicism. I don't think most Christians dismiss him because most of them don't have a clue who he is. You picked him because you are trying to argue from authority. But he doesn't have any significant contribution from which to base that authority. Like Shapiro, who has some good ideas, there is among them but peripheral ideas - many of them good and interesting - which simply fail to overturn evolution by natural selection. The evidence is too overwhelming.Most Christians dismiss Chardin as being "non-Christian" and a "pantheist". I am a pantheist so I have been reading his works recently.
This is a science forum. If you are not interested in discussing things from a scientific perspective, why post here at all? When you say atheist scientists, do you mean other SciForum members? Why would you be so provocative? Are you trolling? If you do mean other SciForum members, if you had read carefully you would know that what you have said is simply not the case. Non-theists members of this forum just patiently explain facts to an endless stream of people such as yourself who seem to come here just to provoke us. I really think we should just ignore such people, but as you are new, I am hoping you can understand the purpose of SciForum. It is not to tell us that a god or the tooth fairy or friendly shoe-repairing elves are welcome into your home. You can believe, what you like, but no one is interested, especially if your beliefs just lead to mindless sniping.Yes. Unlike the "atheist scientists" who are preoccupied with bashing the beliefs of believers, I will always leave the light on for the Creator. God is welcome in my home, in my life and in my heart.
This is a science forum. If you are not interested in discussing things from a scientific perspective, why post here at all? When you say atheist scientists, do you mean other SciForum members? Why would you be so provocative? Are you trolling? If you do mean other SciForum members, if you had read carefully you would know that what you have said is simply not the case. Non-theists members of this forum just patiently explain facts to an endless stream of people such as yourself who seem to come here just to provoke us. I really think we should just ignore such people, but as you are new, I am hoping you can understand the purpose of SciForum. It is not to tell us that a god or the tooth fairy or friendly shoe-repairing elves are welcome into your home. You can believe, what you like, but no one is interested, especially if your beliefs just lead to mindless sniping.
The original question asked by darryl calls for discussion about whether or not evolution was directed. This thread is clearly a discussion of evolution versus creationism. Believers in creationism are expected to show support for God, which I did. In doing so, I am immediately attacked for believing in God.darryl said:Most people who have read about evolution probably know about the work of Chardin and his evolutionary views (he believed evolution was directed) do you think his ideas have any merit today?
And rightly so. Such threads belong in the Religion section, darryl the OP tried to sneak his topic into 'alternative theories'. This sub-forums name suggests science is wanted. I don't know if this is the reason darryl has been banned but I see that he has been. The ban list strangely says the ban was requested by darryl. :shrug: Anyway, I think you are jumping to conclusions with creationism being asked to rear its ugly head. Intelligent design perhaps, but not outright creationism. Show support for god!? Save it for the religion sub-forum, please. I agree with Dawkins' view that the days when 'religious feeling' demand knee-jerk respect are over. They can't end soon enough. Why should your religious beliefs be automatically respected and tolerated when they are clearly nothing more than myth and legend? (Please don't answer that!)The original question asked by darryl calls for discussion about whether or not evolution was directed. This thread is clearly a discussion of evolution versus creationism. Believers in creationism are expected to show support for God, which I did. In doing so, I am immediately attacked for believing in God.
And rightly so. Such threads belong in the Religion section, darryl the OP tried to sneak his topic into 'alternative theories'. This sub-forums name suggests science is wanted. I don't know if this is the reason darryl has been banned but I see that he has been. The ban list strangely says the ban was requested by darryl. :shrug: Anyway, I think you are jumping to conclusions with creationism being asked to rear its ugly head. Intelligent design perhaps, but not outright creationism. Show support for god!? Save it for the religion sub-forum, please. I agree with Dawkins' view that the days when 'religious feeling' demand knee-jerk respect are over. They can't end soon enough. Why should your religious beliefs be automatically respected and tolerated when they are clearly nothing more than myth and legend? (Please don't answer that!)
Epictetus said:Why should your religious beliefs be automatically respected and tolerated when they are clearly nothing more than myth and legend? (Please don't answer that!)
Atheist physicists don't witness supernatural phenomena because they're a bunch of dogmatic God-haters.
Rewards people that destroy current theories? :roflmao:This is a fairly funny sentence for 2 reasons. Dogma is a term that is used in religion and defined as beliefs that cannot be doubted. Science on the other hand rewards individuals that destroy the current theories.
The second reason is, how can an atheist hate God? Wouldn't you have to believe God exists to hate him? :shrug: