Petitions from 20 States Requesting to Secede from the United States

Hi billvon.

Hear! Hear! Well put.

Hehehe. In the first scenario you mention, who would have them if they are so totally clueless and hate-filled? lol.
 
madanthonywayne said:
Oh yes. It worked so well that they had to build a giant wall and patrol it with armed guards to prevent people from leaving. It worked so well that they had to put bars in all the windows of the buildings along the border to keep people from jumping out even from floors so high that to jump was to risk death.
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I know, but even people who were separated by the wall, who attempted to cross it, those very same people want a return to communism. Strange but true.
 
As it turns out, these clowns didn't get nearly as many signatures as I would have expected, a little more than a 100k.
 
So, a big old Republican hissy fit? Because this worked out so well the first time?

The Civil War? If so, you have your political parties mixed up.
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Not at all. It's the Parties that did the mixing - we're just tracking the reality instead of the brand name.

An honest attempt at secession would have a much different outcome this time, methinks: I certainly would not go to war to keep Texas from seceding, and neither would very many other northerners.
 
I could get more signatures to ban Anchovies or Bra's.

It is a sign of prosperity though that a country has so many whiners. Heaven forbid if they ever saw something really worth whining about.

Maybe Republicans should change their name to "Crybaby party".

The Americans have replaced the government in 3 countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya). Firing Tomahawk Cruise Missiles worth over $1 million dollars every shot is not cheap, and the wars have cost every American over $15000 each (even babies). Despite all this, No Americans like paying this price. It is nice to be proud of your country and petition the government to be tough, but it can be costly.

Obama inherited 2 of the wars, and waited until Libya was U.N. sanctioned. I don't see him as the straw breaking the camels back, as it was policies introduced back in Clintons age that are wearing the economy thin.

Silly Republicans. Maybe they should phone Acme and see if they sell any President traps .
 
I don't see him as the straw breaking the camels back, as it was policies introduced back in Clintons age that are wearing the economy thin.
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Introduced under Reagan - some of them were blocked in Congress until 1994, when the Reps got enough leverage (culminating in an impeachment) to power them through over the next few years.
 
Mark Levin, a Republican radio talk show host, explained to his listeners today that they should never compromise with Democrats on anything. His story line is that if Republicans don’t get everything they want whenever they want it, it is tyranny. It is an odd definition of tyranny. But then there are so many odd things in the conservative/Republican world. On one hand Levin and his fellow Republican entertainers wrap themselves in the flag and in our Constitution and in the next, Levin and his fellows are espousing the rule of the few over the many. Because majority rule, democracy, would be tyranny. Apparently in the Republican world democracy is only good and valid if Republicans are the majority. If Republicans are not the majority then democracy and our form of government is tyranny. And they wonder why people think they are crazy.
 
That's funny, and goes back to what I said,
It is a sign of prosperity though that a country has so many whiners. Heaven forbid if they ever saw something really worth whining about.
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America is dealing with high financial stress from obliterating 3 countries recently. If the Republicans were to see bombs dropping on America, and children dying in the streets then their idea of "suffering" might become wiser than the redneck pigcalling polygamists version of it today. Whining about nothing shows how great the quality of life is in the United States.

Succeeding from the United States would imply leaving it and starting a new country. I think these petitioners are all traitors and should be shot if only to clean up the Gene Pool slightly.

Suck it up Republicans.
 
kwhilborn said:
That's funny, and goes back to what I said,
America is dealing with high financial stress from obliterating 3 countries recently. If the Republicans were to see bombs dropping on America, and children dying in the streets then their idea of "suffering" might become wiser than the redneck pigcalling polygamists version of it today. Whining about nothing shows how great the quality of life is in the United States.

Succeeding from the United States would imply leaving it and starting a new country. I think these petitioners are all traitors and should be shot if only to clean up the Gene Pool slightly.

Suck it up Republicans.
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I think the chief malady vexing the Republican Party foot soldier is ignorance. If one pays attention, even the Republican intelligentsia admits to the “dumbing down” of conservatism (e.g. David Fraum, Joe Scarborough, Governor Bobby Jindal, former Governor, Ambassador and presidential candidate Jon Huntsman, et al.). Now Republican entertainers like Levin, in typical fashion, are trying to deflect the dumbing down observation on to Democrats, referring to Democrats as “low information voters” which they also use to justify their voter suppression efforts. The unfortunate fact is Republican entertainers like Levin, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. have severely dumbed down conservatism rendering Republicans incapable of effective governance and perhaps making the United States government incapable of effective governance as well as they control the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court.

And it is certainly true that most Americans living today are accustomed to an unprecedented prosperity which makes it easier for right wing demagogues to distort and lie about reality. Most Americans today don’t know what it is like to live through a depression. There are many on the right who argue that an economic depression is not a big deal. Burn the house down and build another better house is how the argument goes. What they don’t understand is there is no replacing some things (e.g. memorabilia) or more importantly the lives lost in the fire. And there is no guarantee the new house will be better than the old or that there will even be materials to build a new home, not to mention the fact that people will be homeless unless and until a new home is built.
 
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Instead of arguing about the parties. How about we look at how separation of the states help and hinder an what that could mean.
 
What I find the most disturbing is this sick notion that "Lincoln" settled this issue. What kind of perversion is that? Might makes right. The USA was the only country to engage in war to end Slavery... That's because the war had nothing to do with ending Slavery. The founding members of USA had made it clear as day that Union was voluntary. ANY State could leave at any time. Good old "Honest" Abe ended that and with a war some estimated killed 800,000 "Free" Americans He also ended what it meant to be a "United' States.
 
Michael said:
....I've said before I can see the Union falling apart by 2030 and I've read as much by professors of population studies saying the same.
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Complete nonsense. Go to any state and you'll see US flags flying from flagpoles, people wearing hats with USA stamped all over them, pickup trucks with USA stickers, etc. etc. Americans LOVE the idea of the United States. No state will secede any time soon. And that's completely ignoring economic imperatives and so on.

I maintain about 55-58% of the public do not favor large government.
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It would be nice to see some actual surveys on that. Although, all they would tell you is what people think they would favor in a hypothetical universe... :shrug:
 
James R said:
Complete nonsense. Go to any state and you'll see US flags flying from flagpoles, people wearing hats with USA stamped all over them, pickup trucks with USA stickers, etc. etc. Americans LOVE the idea of the United States. No state will secede any time soon. And that's completely ignoring economic imperatives and so on:
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What economic imperatives? Paying three generations worth of debt for this one generation's indulgences?

Yes we Americans have traditionally thought of ourselves as the greatest nation and the greatest people to have ever graced planet earth. And, it was sort of true. Not anylonger. Life for this generation of Americans is going to be much harder and with a much lower standard of living when compared to their fathers and this will drag on for decades. Lets see how American, Americans feel as they watch Washington destroy what's left of our prosperity.

It's not just the USA. Australians are cutting back resources for schools to pay for the pensions and other obligations made to the Baby Boomers - the richest generation of humans to live on earth, ever. Yeah, it's not hard to live large when you're dumping the bills onto your children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren as well as their children.

Yes, not paying ones way is probably a nice way to live an overindulgenced life.

In times like these, history suggests our "Servants" will distract the populace with a big fat War and we all know how much we Americans love our wars. Those arsehole chicken hawks and Keynesian paymasters have done such a fine job brainwashing themselves and the rest of American into believing War = Prosperity that I've heard it uttered time and time again "What this Nation needs is a GOOD old fashioned War".

Half a decade in and the economic pain thats coming hasn't even begun to be felt. If you thought 9/11 was easy, just wait to hear the demagogues beat the war drums when they can no longer snell Bonds at low interest. While these little arseholes play their antagonistic theater, it's all a show. The pretend to quibble over a few billion here and there but came to an agreement in 3 days to unload 4 Trillion in debt onto the public while at the same time letting the clock run down on prosecuting the tens of thousands of banking criminals who created it.



As an aside: My friends husband was recently let go of his job in a state run crime lab (this is in AU). Having a PhD and over a decade's worth of experience he thought he was safe. Want to know who replaced him? His Job wasn't outsourced.He was replaced by a Highshool student with zero experience. They canned pretty much everyone with a degree as it was seen as no longer being necessary and no longer worth the paper it was written on. Just something to think about as we move into these interesting times. Thank the gods we don't live in a nimble Capitalistic free-market society that would soak up these skills in a heartbeat. nope we live in a lumbering government-run (for our own good we wittle peoples too dumb to think fur is selfs) fascist society.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, truer words were never spoken.
 
Michael said:
What I find the most disturbing is this sick notion that "Lincoln" settled this issue. What kind of perversion is that? Might makes right. The USA was the only country to engage in war to end Slavery... That's because the war had nothing to do with ending Slavery. The founding members of USA had made it clear as day that Union was voluntary. ANY State could leave at any time. Good old "Honest" Abe ended that and with a war some estimated killed 800,000 "Free" Americans He also ended what it meant to be a "United' States.
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You do know it was the confederacy that fired the first shots and started the war, right?
 
Michael said:
What I find the most disturbing is this sick notion that "Lincoln" settled this issue. What kind of perversion is that? Might makes right. The USA was the only country to engage in war to end Slavery... That's because the war had nothing to do with ending Slavery. The founding members of USA had made it clear as day that Union was voluntary. ANY State could leave at any time. Good old "Honest" Abe ended that and with a war some estimated killed 800,000 "Free" Americans He also ended what it meant to be a "United' States.
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What I find disturbing is your ignorance and willingness to ignore and rewrite history and the dictionary to support your ideology. In the State of Texas v. White the US Supreme Court determined that it was unconstitutional for states to secede from the union – not The Civil War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

Perhaps you should read up on The Civil War.
 
Michael said:
What economic imperatives? Paying three generations worth of debt for this one generation's indulgences?

Yes we Americans have traditionally thought of ourselves as the greatest nation and the greatest people to have ever graced planet earth. And, it was sort of true. Not anylonger. Life for this generation of Americans is going to be much harder and with a much lower standard of living when compared to their fathers and this will drag on for decades. Lets see how American, Americans feel as they watch Washington destroy what's left of our prosperity.

It's not just the USA. Australians are cutting back resources for schools to pay for the pensions and other obligations made to the Baby Boomers - the richest generation of humans to live on earth, ever. Yeah, it's not hard to live large when you're dumping the bills onto your children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren as well as their children.

Yes, not paying ones way is probably a nice way to live an overindulgenced life.

In times like these, history suggests our "Servants" will distract the populace with a big fat War and we all know how much we Americans love our wars. Those arsehole chicken hawks and Keynesian paymasters have done such a fine job brainwashing themselves and the rest of American into believing War = Prosperity that I've heard it uttered time and time again "What this Nation needs is a GOOD old fashioned War".

Half a decade in and the economic pain thats coming hasn't even begun to be felt. If you thought 9/11 was easy, just wait to hear the demagogues beat the war drums when they can no longer snell Bonds at low interest. While these little arseholes play their antagonistic theater, it's all a show. The pretend to quibble over a few billion here and there but came to an agreement in 3 days to unload 4 Trillion in debt onto the public while at the same time letting the clock run down on prosecuting the tens of thousands of banking criminals who created it.



As an aside: My friends husband was recently let go of his job in a state run crime lab (this is in AU). Having a PhD and over a decade's worth of experience he thought he was safe. Want to know who replaced him? His Job wasn't outsourced.He was replaced by a Highshool student with zero experience. They canned pretty much everyone with a degree as it was seen as no longer being necessary and no longer worth the paper it was written on. Just something to think about as we move into these interesting times. Thank the gods we don't live in a nimble Capitalistic free-market society that would soak up these skills in a heartbeat. nope we live in a lumbering government-run (for our own good we wittle peoples too dumb to think fur is selfs) fascist society.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, truer words were never spoken.
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That is a bunch on jibberish Michael.
 
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