Dr. Ian Stevenson. There is not no evidence.
http://www.skepdic.com/stevenson.html
Stevenson himself admitted that he hadn't provided compelling evidence for reincarnation.
Dr. Ian Stevenson. There is not no evidence.
Stevenson himself admitted that he hadn't provided compelling evidence for reincarnation.
I personally think all fields should get adequate funding. I'm just stating that non-promising fields tend to get less funding. So far, the hypothesis of a reincarnating soul has zero evidence, and the evidence would need to be quite extraordinary.As a fellow believer in science I'm appalled by that statement, if little headway is made into a topic it is no longer worth exploring? What about discovery? Don't be so closed minded. Shame shame. :spank:
That's why I said evidence as well as proof. Some fields do not require absolute mathematical proof. I would expect at least some good evidence to be found, I mean he spent his whole life on it. Science can be difficult, the methods need to be rigorous.Not what I read about in the history of science.
REallly. So all truths can now be proven. Again, my readings of the history science finds this is often not the case.
Sure, once a certain threshold is passed. But decent evidence can be ignored for a long time if the idea is too challenging.
But his methods had flaws. I haven't even read anything about it and I can see that. The anecdotal reports of children are not compelling evidence. Children make up stories, and they do not understand a clear separation between reality and make-believe. I would probably enjoy reading about it, the same way I enjoy the theories of Rupert Sheldrake. It sounds like they both make the same qualifications, they admit their findings could be interpreted in many ways, and that they are far from conclusive.Dr. Ian Stevenson. There is not no evidence.
Well, he found plenty of evidence.That's why I said evidence as well as proof.
Pretty much every field does not require proof. Math is the exception. I am surprised that someone defending science against the infidels does not now this.Some fields do not require absolute mathematical proof.
And he was as rigorous as possible given the study subject.I would expect at least some good evidence to be found, I mean he spent his whole life on it. Science can be difficult, the methods need to be rigorous.
You can see the flaws without having read his work. Wow. You must be psychic. Also your objection above comes as close to mathematically proving you have not read nor do you understand how he went about his work.But his methods had flaws. I haven't even read anything about it and I can see that. The anecdotal reports of children are not compelling evidence. Children make up stories, and they do understand a clear separation between reality and make-believe.
Sounds like that, hm. I've heard rumors about people's work, too.I would probably enjoy reading about it, the same way I enjoy the theories of Rupert Sheldrake. It sounds like they both make the same qualifications, they admit their findings could be interpreted in many ways, and that they are far from conclusive.
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Originally Posted by wise acre
Dr. Ian Stevenson. There is not no evidence.
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http://www.skepdic.com/stevenson.html
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Stevenson himself admitted that he hadn't provided compelling evidence for reincarnation.
He believed that he had produced a body of evidence for reincarnation that must be taken seriously. But he admitted that "the evidence is not flawless and it certainly does not compel such a belief. Even the best of it is open to alternative interpretations, and one can only censure those who say there is no evidence whatever."*
Oh, but I did read the whole article, which you clearly had not read. It misrepresents how he went about his work.Maybe if you'd read the rest of the article you'd have seen that most of his work/ premises were flawed...
unless of course reincarnation has scope to all forms of life, from the microbe upwards.i dont believe in reincarnation because there is too much growth in populations to facilitate such a concept. that is my impression.
Either reincarnation is purely material, the recycling of particles, with the added component of human culture, or there is a unique, individual soul that transcends death. I propose this thought experiment. If you copied every particle of a person in atomic detail, would they act the same as the original?
if people cannot provide the mechanism this does not mean they are wrong. If you have no experiences and no one you respect who does, I can certainly understand skepticism. But we should not confuse a believer's inability to provide a mechanism some sort of proof. Phenomena that were experienced by individuals that only much later were confirmed by science, but were confirmed, also had mechanims experiencers could not have provided. See, Rogue Waves for a very concrete example.If it's not material, what is it? If it isn't individual, then how can there be a specific set of regressed memories? Of course it would have to transcend physical death with memories intact. We know that any damage to the brain results in loss of memory, so what is the mechanism?
Signal,
Why does it matter to investigate anything? I can't believe you would even ask this stupid question. What would be gained by disproving it? Then people wouldn't have to waste their time with false expectations. What would be gained by proving it? We would learn something extraordinary about our situation.
Um. Other inhabited planets, the souls come from an undifferentiated source, so more have come (here) as time went on....I am sure I could come up with other possibilities.
Actually most people have memories of past lives here.
I think your deduction is unconvincing, that's all.
So you haven't read Dr. Ian Stevenson.
I think these kinds of arguments, like the one you made earlier about the new souls, are speculative and wildly.
arguments made by people who know very little about it seem rather pointless to me as proofs.
As curious speculation or as wondering about something in a questioning form, fine, great even. But to present these arguments as if they close cases, is, well, silly.
There is the notion that souls incarnate throughout different species, e.g in one lifetime, someone is born in the body of a cat, in another in the body of a human, then in the body of a pig and so on.
You haven't answered the question ...
Why would it matter to scientifically prove or disprove reincarnation?
What good can be gained from either proving it or disproving it?
Why should it be worth it to invest considerable amounts of money into proving or disproving reincarnation?