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Hahnemannian,

You refuse to give use evidence on homeopathy, I'm not going to listen to any of this circumstantial evidence you spout in nearly endless post one after another, until you can provide clear proof homeopathy benefiting patients.
 
Very simple here. Show that homeopathy is more beneficial than standard medicine. If you can't do that, then their is no point in believing that it is better for us.

Funny how homepathy has been around so long, but the life expectancy went up as scientific medicine became more widespread.
 
Hans lastly said to a mere two paragraphs he wrote I had to correct ad nosium because he doesn't know the slightest thing about homeopathy:

No, I do not. No matter what others do or do not, homeopathy is still 18th century medicine.

Wrongo!

The natural Laws of Medicine make homeopathy simultaneously the oldest and yet most modern and eternally stable and cumulative system of medicine that is via the same three-point criteria of chemistry and physics the actual Science of Medicine.

Compared to the murderous nature of modern medicine it is 25th-Century Medicine.

I have have enough of you, sir.

You are a total waste of time and are very much due your ghastly agonal, horrendously horrible and very premature iatrogenic death in allopathic hands after years of iatrogenic suffering by them, and I very much hope it is well underway and you are not in this world tomorrow.

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This is the rest of your ridiculous statements I only began to correct:

The basic idea of scientific medicine is that diseases have causes, internal or external, and to treat a disease, it is preferably to
remove the cause. [The cause has absolutely nothing to do with the case once the disease process has been initiated. If the causative agent remains to be a disease-sustaining agent, it is to be removed as such, but removing the cause has absolutely nothing to do with curing, period! That is precisely why you quacks can only handle bacterial disease. You are total quacks! and you're vile killers who should be executed en masse to stop the mass murder. Fortunately, Karmic Laws permit us to wait patiently till the courts are composed of other than fools more ignorant than allopaths.] In cases where the cause cannot be removed, either
because it is unknown or because no regimen exists, scientific medicine
will attempt to alleviate symptoms.

[Attempt away, but you always only kill your patients while we cure, and that's the fact you will never be able to escape, you vile quack!] I have a number of difficulties with the Homeopathic theory [and you do not know ANYTHING accurate about it, so spit in the wind, fool! Same effect] :

1) What is the purpose of this "disease management center"? It seems
only to make us ill. If it is the cause of all our illnesses, why
wasn't it eliminated by evolution?

[Tim, you're on with this ignorant and dangeous fool.]

2) How can one be shure that the correct symptoms are used for selecting
medicine, humans are notoriously inaccurate at reporting symptoms?

[Well, read the ORGANON, fool! Of course, I have said that repeatedly, though, haven't I?]

3) What is the supposed mechanism for the ability of the medicine to
"remember" the active ingredient, and how is this mechanism able to
know which ingredient to "remember", after all, any sample of water
has been in contact with countless substances?

[We don't know, but it is irrelevant since it obviously happens, but you would know that if you weren't so ignorant, right?]

4) I do not understand why Homeopathy is claimed to be untestable. It
is claimed to have a nobjective effect, and if this is the case, then
it must be testable.

[I therefore repeat, you are ignorant! We treat patients based upon their uncommon symptoms, NOT upon their common symptoms per disease-diagnostic categories. You are so incredibly brainwashed that you cannot even hear things when they are repeatedly stated and restated. You are a very stupid man to be so brainwashed, and that's a fact.]

In this debate, if we can call it a debate, Hahnemannian has made a
number of claims about Allopathy. I am here assuming that he is mainly
referring to the form of Allopathy that I refer to as scientific
medicine. His main claim is that it is unable to cure anything at all.

This opens a few questions, which I have already posed earlier, but which
have all been ignored. If scientific medicine is worthless than how do
you propose to explain that:

1) It has found the causes of and managed to eradicate or strongly reduce
the incidence of a number of diseases, e. g. Smallpox, Plague, Typhoid
Feever, Diftery, Polio, Tuberculosis, Leprocy, Syphilis.

[Lies! Thomas McKeown proved these lies too. So don't be thinking you can get away with such a blatant lie. Very stupid again.]

2) Where some of the dieases mentioned in #1 are still widespread in some
parts of the World, this invariably coincides with lack of access to
medicines.

[No, absolutely untrue. It coincides with the causes of these diseases:

1. Poor sewage (no pipes out);
2. Unclean water (no pipes in);
3. Poor hygenic measure personally and societally; and
4. Poor diets, just as got rid of them in the rest, just Thomas McKeown showed with mortality tables and introduction of vaccines, which did absolutely nothing but make more people sick, and that is a fact, you ignorant man.]

3) A number of diseases cannot (currently) be cured [by allopathy, nothing but bacterial cures can be claimed, which is pitiful and pathetic and abject quackery, dumb man], but in many cases
scientific medicine has succeded to alleviate the symptoms, in some
cases to a degree where patients lead lives that are largely unaffec-
ted by the disease. [But they create diseases that allopaths are perfectly aware of but choose to ignore because it makes them all killers.] Examples: Diabetes [replacement therapy, not a cure and it makes no difference in the longevity of patients, but insulin-dependent patients are guaranteed to die a ghastly horrible convulsive death after a year of dialysis following years of allopathic torture], depression [absurd! allopathic psychiatry manufactures madness], some forms of
epilepsy [and we cure all of them, while they only vacuously claim mild eliviation of "some forms"], several forms of hormone disorders [which you guys of course create, and that is a hollow claim anyway, just like all of the rest].

4) Scientific medicine can be and is tested for efficiacy [because it is based upon erroneous assumptions with which scientific method is abused, e.g., that diseases can be named and that diseases can be prescribed FOR them rather than for patients -- very ignorant].

Instead of your constant attacks on anybody and everybody, it would be
constructive if you would deign to adress some of the questions above [I did but you are obviously too ignorant to hear them, too brainwashed too].
After all, this IS a debate forum [and we came here looking for help, but you are not a scientist and refuse to act like one].

[You are a true waste of space, pal. I would bet money that you are either an allopathic physician or a fool involved in the natural sciences who becomes incredibly stupid by ignoring the 10 Laws of Medicine.]

Hans

You can shut up now and hopefully exit this life sooner than later since everything out of your mouth is designed to create iatrogenic diseases and deaths.

We can all pray that you return to whatever hell you came from and are resonant with and that it happens by tomorrow.

But I will not be hereafter wasting my time with you and most certainly will not be having patience with many more at this site if they prove to be like you.

Remember, be sure to follow all of your advice and get dead soon, okay?
 
I ask again, show that homeopathy is more beneficial than standard medicine. If you can't do that, then their is no point in believing that it is better for us.
 
You are looking for help? Well, I can help you design an experiment that will prove or disprove the efficiacy of homeopathy......

I am all ears.

I dearly want to further demonstrate that you know nothing about homeopathy from your own mouth.

Let's hear it, pal.
 
Persol says:

I ask again, show that homeopathy is more beneficial than standard medicine. If you can't do that, then their is no point in believing that it is better for us.

What can I care about what people believe beyond telling them they do not have to go down the road of death of allopathy?

Do whatever you want.

There are too many of you doing that already, but we cannot change it.

Besides, insurance companies require that you die that way, so do it.
 
Funny how homepathy has been around so long, but the life expectancy went up as scientific medicine became more widespread.

Life expectancy went up due to causes that have nothing to do with allopathic therapeutics.
 
Odd, I don't remember seeing any treatments for bacterial infections, heart disease, cancer, mortal wounds, etc etc.
Lets see... in 1885, top leading causes of death were:
1. TB
2. Pneumonia
3. Heart disease
4. Malarial diseases
5. Dysentery
6. Accidents
7. Typhoid
8. Prematurity
9. The Flu
10. Child birth

Now 1, 2, 5, 7, and 9 are treated very well today. The chances of being killed by them are slim to none.

Heart disease death rised slightly, but decreased with the advent of bypasses and medicines.

Prematurity is very livable now, as is dangerous child birth.

Hmmm... modern medicine works on 8/10 of the old top leading killers. Seems to work to me.

What can I care about what people believe beyond telling them they do not have to go down the road of death of allopathy?
Well obviously you do care, because you are arguing about it. Very simply, if homeopathy works, then there is no reason for you not to be able to show us statistical evidence of that. If you can't then I just have to assume you don't have any, and I have a better chance of surviving with modern medicine.
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian

Allopathic medicine is almost totally therapeutically incompetent; it is totally effete and they are therapeutically incompetent in ALL viral diseases, in ALL chronic diseases and in ALL psychiatric cases.

Endlessly regurgitating such nonsensical claptrap does not make it true. This comment, like everything else you spew, is completely contradicted by the volumes of clinical trials and in vivo and in vitro experimental studies. You are once again confusing real medicine with the worthless fraud of homeopathy, a system that has not cured a single person, nor can it ever. Thankfully, this atrocity will soon be extinct, as science continues to prove beyond any doubt its total lack of efficacy.

Originally posted by Hahnemannian


I have been doing Hahnemannian homeopathy for 25 years, and homeopathy is the legitimate Science of Medicine because we have not, like all of you, ignored the 10 Laws of Medicine.

So my 25 years as a Hahnemannian outranks your 20 years as a fool wasting money and exhibiting sophistries at all turns something like 10,000:1, doesn't it?

So you admit to being a health fraud and snake oil salesman for over 25 years? Yes, I agree, your experience outranks, in the categories of foolishness and wasted money, my 20 + years in legitimate life sciences by easily 10,000:1. I suppose that besides defrauding the ignorant, the uneducated, and preying on the hopeless, homeopathy also teaches well in the art of lies and deception without remorse.

Originally posted by Hahnemannian


I said I would not be arguing with you again, and I mean it now.

I will not let despicable charlatans off so easily. If you are looking for more suckers to scam go elsewhere, no one is buyiing your ludicrous and desultory arguments here.


Originally posted by Hahnemannian


You are destined for a well-deserved iatrogenic death in allopathic hands and don't seem to care.

What a horrid comment from a self-proclaimed "physician"! By the way, that's a very effective selling point for homeopathy to wish death on another human being. You continue to prove that homeopathy is an abomination and that its practitioners truly do not care about helping or curing anyone, only to dupe ignorant people and to perpetuate the biggest health fraud in human history.
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian
Hans then asks:



A. Four Laws of Therapeutics (in this order of importance):

1. The Law of Similars;
2. The Law of the Single Remedy (these are direct cognates, and they are indirect cognates of the next two);
3. The Law of the Single Remedy; and
4. The Law of the Minimum (misnomer) or Optimally Ultramolecular Dose.

B. Four Laws of Cure, also called Hering's Laws:

1. During cure symptoms proceed in the reverse order of occurance (Time);
2. During cure symptoms proceed from center to periphery in these specific forms:
2) During cure symptoms move from within outwards in terms of a four-cone, four-plane, four-octave model of human existence (Space);
3) During cure symptoms move from more important to less important organs (Energy); and
4) During cure symptoms move from above downward (Matter).

C. The Law of Chronic Diseases: Chronic external diseases are cured only by internal medicines, external and internal here also having reference to the four-cone, four-plane, four-octave model of human existence.

D. The last Law of Medicine is one I never remember because it almost never comes up and has little to do with curative therapeutics but instead refers to something that all therapies have in common. Hahnemann spoke about this in small works compiled by a student at the 50th anniversary of his having obtained the right to practice medicine in Saxony and the greater Prusian Empire, which that student had bound and entitled THE LESSER WRITINGS OF SAMUEL HAHNEMANN.


What a pity. All these "laws" are nothing more than figments of your imagination and have no basis whatsoever in fact.

It is odd that you claim that homeopathy can cure psychiatric conditions, yet you appear to suffer from serious delusions, if not outright hallucination. How can anyone expect homeopathy to cure anything when it cannot even cure yourself?
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian

Yeah, we live in a time in which physicists have inadvertently verified the existence of the Ether or Etheric Plane of existence by having over 20 synonyms for it and major manifestations of it....

It is important because homeopaths have been demonstrating the existence of the Ether with subAvogadrean, ultramolecular, etheric drugs for our entire history.

These cannot have any other explanation than being etheric medicines.

More complete nonsense. Physicists have proven nothing of the kind, nor have the verified any of the properties of homeopathic "medicines". In fact, they prove conclusively they are nothing but water, and act as such in the body.
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian

Now, go backwards for 120 years and see how homeopathy had to put up with you guys doing bloodletting and calomelization plus all of the other vile mineral drugs you prescribed while homeopaths engaged in 25th-century medicine at this rate.

Once again history fails you. Homeopathy died 100 years ago, and continue to engage in archaic 19th century buffoonery.


Originally posted by Hahnemannian


The man simply needed homeopathic Aconite in a single dose of 30c.

Ridiculous. That "remedy", like all others, would have done absolutely nothing.
 
TB
2. Pneumonia
3. Heart disease
4. Malarial diseases
5. Dysentery
6. Accidents
7. Typhoid
8. Prematurity
9. The Flu
10. Child birth

Good list; typically presumptuous and typically allopathic.

While allopathy was engaging in bloodletting, we cured TB, Pneumonia, heart disease, malaria, dysentery, typhoid and the flu; accidents, prematurity and child birth are NOT diseases, are they?
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian

You are a total waste of time and are very much due your ghastly agonal, horrendously horrible and very premature iatrogenic death in allopathic hands after years of iatrogenic suffering by them, and I very much hope it is well underway and you are not in this world tomorrow.

You can shut up now and hopefully exit this life sooner than later since everything out of your mouth is designed to create iatrogenic diseases and deaths.

We can all pray that you return to whatever hell you came from and are resonant with and that it happens by tomorrow.

Remember, be sure to follow all of your advice and get dead soon, okay?

Yet another example of this homeopath wishing a quick and painful death on someone that does not agree with him. Proof positive that homeopathy is a pox on humanity, a menace to all society, and its pracititioners are nothing but dangerous psychopaths.
 
Very simply, if homeopathy works, then there is no reason for you not to be able to show us statistical evidence of that.

Unless you're brain dead and cannot read.

The 19th-century literature is full of statistics of the efficacy and lower insurance premiums for homeopathic patients, whether or not they were those of LPHs, HPHs or Hahnemannians.

Don't any of you people know anything about medical history?

The FLEXNOR REPORT (1910) destroyed American homeopathy and this was where it was king.

We are just regrouping.

I know nothing about present-day statistics.

You are the ones with the billions of dollars to waste on such statistics.

Give us some of that money and we'll conduct research productive of statistics.

That is so assinine.
 
Hahnemannian,

What kind of evidence do I want?, have you not been reading my last 10 post??? I want proof that homeopathy works! You refuse to give us this evidence, REFUSE!
 
Originally posted by Hahnemannian
While allopathy was engaging in bloodletting, we cured TB, Pneumonia, heart disease, malaria, dysentery, typhoid and the flu; accidents, prematurity and child birth are NOT diseases, are they?

More lies, homeopathy has cured nothing of the kind.
 
shut up BTox

You support allopathic medicine.

Thank God allopathic killers are going to do you good, sir.
 
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