Can we elevate the thread to scriptures, I can talk a bit on Upanishads and Gita ? Request no foul language, even if one wishes to counter.
- "Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."
Let's start with...
...What Is God?
Can we elevate the thread to scriptures, I can talk a bit on Upanishads and Gita ? Request no foul language, even if one wishes to counter.
- "Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."
Jan seemed to be insisting that atheists are in no position to discuss religion since they are "without God" and hence don't have a clue what they are talking about and can only 'speculate'.
Never mind that Jan's etymology is a bit misleading. The Greek word 'a-theos' doesn't exactly mean 'without God'. It's the negation 'a-' appended to the word 'theos' and can just as accurately be translated as 'no God'.
The word "information" is a distraction here. Cells, DNA, life itself, is all chemistry. We can break it down into it's chemical components and see how they function. There is no special magic there, it's like a computer.What is the evidence that a 'natural explanation' of the origin of information found in the cell, factual?
The word "information" is a distraction here. Cells, DNA, life itself, is all chemistry.
We can break it down into it's chemical components and see how they function.
There is no special magic there, it's like a computer.
You seem to imply that there's something special about the information. Like a cell isn't special already. Also, it's typical creationist argument to talk about the origins of information in DNA. But go ahead if you must.It is information. So how can it be a distraction?
Is it fair to say that philosophical arguments are based on axioms that themslves have no percieved origin, and as such are deemed true without evidence of their physical existence?
Do you use logic to define logic?
Is someome without logic (formal training) an illogical person because he or she was not trained in logic?
'Without God' is like someone withoout logic. It isn't an insult, it is a position. An atheist, by definition is someone who lacks belief in God (for whatever reason).
Is a person who lacks belief in logic, bereft of logic, or do they apply logic naturally to everyday situations without knowing that it is the law of logic that are working with their reasoning?
I see it as arogant because your assumption of the world as you see it, is the way the world is.
Everything outside of that, has to be proven ( proof is what you desire)
to your specification.
Logic is self-proving.It would seemingly be circular to use logic to provide a logical justification for logic.
Logic is self-proving.
It is perfect.If logic were its own thing itd be perfect, considerate, and wise.
It is perfect.
Logic is self-proving.
Perhaps the personal need to be consistent? Or effective? Or right?No more justification is needed?
I think you're putting too much effort into justifying ignorance and sloth.
I'll leave this thread and maybe the theists can just discuss the finer points of theism.
An i will re-energize the thred wit how my faith came about.!!!
Many years ago i was down on my luck an i had a short stay at a shelter (for men only)... an we all took turns cleanin an cookin... an one night i was cookin tortillas... an about that time i felt as if i was struck by lightenin an fell to the floor all jerkin an stuff... an after i gained consciousness the thang that was on my mind was that the last tortilla i cooked looked like Jesus... an thru the power of God i was re-born in the name of Jesus... an ever sinse then my faith has been unshakable.!!!
Woud anybody else like to testify now... how they came by ther faith.???
PS:::
Jesus is Lord.!!!
A joke to one can be salvation to anuther... an my faith is in God... not scoffers.!!!I could be wrong, but this sounds like a joke to me.
A joke to one can be salvation to anuther... an my faith is in God... not scoffers.!!!
Do you have a story to tell.???
What is/are ''scoffers''?
About what?
jan.
Do not feel pressured... God loves you.!!!