No, I am not. This is how it is.
You aren't someone who sees it as "us and them" ... but this is how it is ... so you
do see it as "us and them"?
But heck, I see that your defences are erected, your trenches are dug, and you even went in with a preemptive barrage.
Whatever be the type of discussion..civil or uncivil..could you understand theist point of view or could a theist understand your point of view ?
Not if they go into those discussions with the attitude of not being able to. But if they go in with the genuine intent of at least exploring the differences, why those differences arise, etc, then while full understanding might not be achieved at least some grater understanding.
You expect objective evidence which a theist cannot provide.
I expect it only of those who wish to convince me of the truth of their position, for those who wish to argue that their position is objective. But when it is accepted by both sides that no one will, or is trying to, convince the other of what they see as the truth, one can start to at least trying to understand
why they think as they do.
You do not wish to move beyond this position, there are spiritual awakenings, some kind of higher level, discussing them with you will be futile because you are not even able to cross the first barrier.
And there you go with further barrages, expressing the superiority of your position. Can you not help yourself in this regard? All this is is "oh, we can't discuss with you as you can never have comprehension of it" without bothering to try.
Do you not see how elitist and condescending this comes across?
The first thing which you will have to do is to unlearn your objectivity on this matter. Well you won't agree on this, so things cannot move.
Again you wish to treat this like I am here for conversion, or to agree with your position. That is not what I am requesting but rather a civil exchange of ideas, of examination of positions, to better understand what makes people tick in this regard.
So no, I don't need to unlearn anything. I can understand why some people might like a piece of art (if they take the time to explain to me) for example, but I don't need to agree with them or unlearn anything. I may learn something new, though, and change view slightly, and the other person might do likewise, but that is secondary to the main aim of simply understanding (or at least trying to) their position.
But if you're not capable of lowering your defences, or of holding such a civil conversation, so be it. Thanks for your time.