yeah i guess, but what were they, guess we'll never know
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yeah i guess, but what were they, guess we'll never know
orelander im sorry but there is a legal obligation to act in a specific way put apon someone with power of attorny or power of guardianship. Its like the fact that you cant stop your kids getting a blood transfusion no matter WHAT religious belifes you have, if they need one they get it and if you try to stop it you could be charged with assult and possably lose your kids
It has to do with the way the legislation is written and what rights can ONLY be exercised by the person involved not a proxy.
The same goes for sterilisation, you cant sterilse someone who has power of guardianship or power of atorny on them EXCEPT for medical reasons.
If you use that power to enforce your religious belifes you are acting in detriment to the person you are surposed to be caring for and guilty of abuse. Social and emotional abuse are the second most common type of elder abuse following finantial abuse. Sexual and physical abuse are much less common but do happen, the most common being by your partner (this is normally a flow on from an abusive marriage earlier in life but it can also have an organic cause). Not sure where on the rankings neglect falls though.
It has to do with the way the legislation is written and what rights can ONLY be exercised by the person involved not a proxy.
The same goes for sterilisation, you cant sterilse someone who has power of guardianship or power of atorny on them EXCEPT for medical reasons.
If you use that power to enforce your religious belifes you are acting in detriment to the person you are surposed to be caring for and guilty of abuse. Social and emotional abuse are the second most common type of elder abuse following finantial abuse. Sexual and physical abuse are much less common but do happen, the most common being by your partner (this is normally a flow on from an abusive marriage earlier in life but it can also have an organic cause). Not sure where on the rankings neglect falls though.
you are so dramatic.
He stopped his dad (who had dementia) from having a relationship with a woman who had Alzhiemers. Its NOT abuse. No matter what reason he came up with, its not abusive. If his Dad was an avowed atheist and his son took him to church, its not abusive. If his Dad had to be drugged to get there, tied to a chair, then yes. But breaking up a relationship is NOT abusive.
I wonder who complained about it so that it made it into the
um your missing some of your post
and abuse is vary rarly by force. Unfortanly these cases tend to be hardest to prove and so go unreported but social abuse (quite common with elder people and batted wife\husband syndrome) is delibratly stoping a person from seeing someone they wish to see or doing what they wish to do. It can be coupled with finantial abuse where you delibratly prevent the person from accessing THERE money for purposes they wish to use it for and can aford (its not abuse if they dont have the money to say go to disney land AND pay the rent so you pay the rent insted). What your talking about is actually PHYSICAL abuse where physical (or chemical) means are used to prevent a person doing what they wish to do for reasons other than there own safty.
These laws dont just aplie to people with dementia, they aplie to ANYONE who is under the protection of an order of guardianship or enjuring power of attorny.
and abuse is vary rarly by force. Unfortanly these cases tend to be hardest to prove and so go unreported but social abuse (quite common with elder people and batted wife\husband syndrome) is delibratly stoping a person from seeing someone they wish to see or doing what they wish to do. It can be coupled with finantial abuse where you delibratly prevent the person from accessing THERE money for purposes they wish to use it for and can aford (its not abuse if they dont have the money to say go to disney land AND pay the rent so you pay the rent insted). What your talking about is actually PHYSICAL abuse where physical (or chemical) means are used to prevent a person doing what they wish to do for reasons other than there own safty.
These laws dont just aplie to people with dementia, they aplie to ANYONE who is under the protection of an order of guardianship or enjuring power of attorny.
so if my child wants to hang out with a certain friend and I keep them from doing that, I am committing social abuse? Interesting.
Err your confusing a different set of rules there.
Parents of "normal" children dont fall under the juristiction of that paticualar piece of legislation except where it pertains to sterilisation (you cant concent to sterilise your child) and where it pertains to medically nessary treatment (you cant prevent your child from having a blood transfusion or organ donation).
Im not 100% sure though if thats under the guardianship act or if its under the concent to medical treatment act
What i was talking about where cases where someone is under the protection of the guardianship board. These are people who have server mental disabilitys, aquared brain injuries, alzimers and dementia.
Generally they are above the legal age of maturity (ie 18, i have never herd of anyone younger being subject to an order of guardianship) but are unable to make legal decisions because of mental incopitance.
Parents of "normal" children dont fall under the juristiction of that paticualar piece of legislation except where it pertains to sterilisation (you cant concent to sterilise your child) and where it pertains to medically nessary treatment (you cant prevent your child from having a blood transfusion or organ donation).
Im not 100% sure though if thats under the guardianship act or if its under the concent to medical treatment act
What i was talking about where cases where someone is under the protection of the guardianship board. These are people who have server mental disabilitys, aquared brain injuries, alzimers and dementia.
Generally they are above the legal age of maturity (ie 18, i have never herd of anyone younger being subject to an order of guardianship) but are unable to make legal decisions because of mental incopitance.
No. I have guardianship of my children. I am in charge of them. If a parent of mine gets dementia, I have guardianship of them.
Its the same. Either I am abusing them by keeping them away from certain people or I am not.
You said 'social abuse'
Does this 'social abuse' include sterilization, blood transfusions, organ donations? I don't think any of these things happened in this case.
sorry i am confusing myself,
There is a HUGE difference between guardianship (in the legal sence) and parenting. The difference has to with the fact that with parenting your job is to teach your children how to look after themselves where as with guardianship there is generally no chance of recovery (though this is not always the case for enduring power of attorny)
Guardianship is also decided by a special court called the guardianship board (which can work bloody fast when it has to)
You actually dont have guardianship over your parents automatically UNLESS they have signed a document giving you enduring power of attorny.
and no social abuse doesnt include sterilsation, ect (that would be physical abuse but SHOULD be impossable because doctors shouldnt go against the guardianship board)
This is from a web page of various types of abuse:
This is on elder abuse specifically rather than abuse generally though for some reason it doesnt list social abuse (Though our lecture did)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_abuse
Now oviously this wont all aplie
There is a HUGE difference between guardianship (in the legal sence) and parenting. The difference has to with the fact that with parenting your job is to teach your children how to look after themselves where as with guardianship there is generally no chance of recovery (though this is not always the case for enduring power of attorny)
Guardianship is also decided by a special court called the guardianship board (which can work bloody fast when it has to)
You actually dont have guardianship over your parents automatically UNLESS they have signed a document giving you enduring power of attorny.
and no social abuse doesnt include sterilsation, ect (that would be physical abuse but SHOULD be impossable because doctors shouldnt go against the guardianship board)
This is from a web page of various types of abuse:
http://au.geocities.com/tigrispoet/abusetypes.htm
This is on elder abuse specifically rather than abuse generally though for some reason it doesnt list social abuse (Though our lecture did)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_abuse
Now oviously this wont all aplie
so what was the harm? He caught his Dad having unprotected sex with an woman who had Alzheimers. Maybe he was trying to protect him from disease. Maybe he was trying to protect him from a future rape charge. Maybe he overreacted.
He didn't abuse him. So calm down, its ok. If it bothers you that much, make sure your kids know that when you get old, you are allowed to have sex with as many mentally unstable elderly woman as you want.
He didn't abuse him. So calm down, its ok. If it bothers you that much, make sure your kids know that when you get old, you are allowed to have sex with as many mentally unstable elderly woman as you want.
thats hardly the point (and i doubt i would be STUPID enough to let my kids have power of attorny over me). Pevernting a person under the protection of guardianship from seeing a person they wish to see IS a breach of the trust given to that person. They should have been removed the job and it been handed back to the guardianship board. wether he had a case to answer or not it court is up the the proicuter but he still isnt a responcable guardian