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Syzygys

Syzygys

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http://www.slate.com/id/2192178/

A beautifully sad romance of an 82 year old woman with Alzheimer and a demented 95 year old man, that was broken up by the man's son because of possible inheritence reasons.

There should be a movie made of this. The moral question is this: just how much privacy can an elderly demented person have???
 
Syzygys said:
A beautifully sad romance of an 82 year old woman with Alzheimer and a demented 95 year old man, that was broken up by the man's son because of possible inheritence reasons.

There should be a movie made of this. The moral question is this: just how much privacy can an elderly demented person have???
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Doesn't every human being (whether demented or not) deserve to have their privacy respected?

Your question seems to depend on the likelihood that someone suffering from Alzheimer's disease is incapable of demanding or enforcing their right to privacy - so its moral validity is somehow negated by that incapacity. But a moral imperative isn't abolished by a contingent fact - like not being able to insist it's acted upon.
 
this is discusting that there carer would act this way. Its a breach of the oblegations that people with power of atorny have to there chargers
 
Alex.A said:
Doesn't every human being (whether demented or not) deserve to have their privacy respected?
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Nope. For example prisoners and teenagers don't have the same right to privacy as an average adult. Mental problems (as in the case) can be another category where privacy can be limited...

Military personal in sensitive positions can have also limited privacy. Hey, I am good this morning!
 
actually teenages do have the same rights to medical confedentuality as everyone else does, as do prisioners and even MORE so with people with mental health issues because of the stigma involved
 
Syzygys said:
Nope. For example prisoners and teenagers don't have the same right to privacy as an average adult. Mental problems (as in the case) can be another category where privacy can be limited...

Military personal in sensitive positions can have also limited privacy. Hey, I am good this morning!
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Complete privacy in the sense of a total absence of outside scrutiny is probably impossible for any human being still living in a community. What we're talking about here is a question of degree. The question was specific and it referred to the privacy of people suffering from Alzheimer - whether they had rights to privacy which could be violated with moral impunity. You don't address the moral issue.
 
Asguard said:
actually teenages do have the same rights to medical confidentuality
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We weren't just talking about MEDICAL...

Alex.A said:
You don't address the moral issue.
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What is the moral question? The article mentions that if it goes to trial, you can not put a demented person to the witness stand.

The ethical question of the story was that was Bob's son worrying about his dad or about his own inheritance? Bob could have married the lady screwing his son's inheritence...
 
and thats exactly the point. Its not about privacy its about how his son acted. In a power of atorny or guardianship case you must ALWAYS act in the best interests of your "cliant". This means ignoring your own best interest. If there house needs to be sold to pay for there nursing home but they had promised it to you thats just to bad, you must sell it (for example)

This is a clear case of elder abuse both social and possably finantial.
There is no way anyone could justify this
 
Syzygys said:
http://www.slate.com/id/2192178/

A beautifully sad romance of an 82 year old woman with Alzheimer and a demented 95 year old man, that was broken up by the man's son because of possible inheritence reasons.

There should be a movie made of this. The moral question is this: just how much privacy can an elderly demented person have???
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Inheritance reasons? Was he thinking his dad would get her pregnant? Did he think a demented man could legally change his will?
 
He could have married her and that would change the will. Not an expert on wills, but I assume it is possible to change it...
 
actually he couldnt marry her and she couldnt marry him. Unfortuantly marrage is a legal contract and if your in a mentally incapacitated state you cant sign any legal doctuments. They couldnt even order a pizza unfortunatly:(
 
Syzygys said:
He could have married her and that would change the will. Not an expert on wills, but I assume it is possible to change it...
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yep, asguard is right. They can't marry and the will can't be changed. The whole 'being of sound mind' thing.
 
Well, then the son had no good excuse for his behaviour, except maybe on religious ground...
 
actually that doesnt excuse him either. His duty isnt to act on his concionse its to act in his charges best interest PEROID. To stop them having an affair that was giving them pleasure even for religious reasons goes against the legal duty he had and there for the son should be charged with abuse
 
Syzygys said:
What is the moral question? The article mentions that if it goes to trial, you can not put a demented person to the witness stand.
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Leaving out the specifics of a dispute over an inheritance, in general terms, the moral question was whether a person suffering from Alzheimers is entitled to a measure of privacy.

This boils down to whether, after the onset of dementia, a human being is still entitled to full moral consideration.
 
Syzygys said:
http://www.slate.com/id/2192178/

A beautifully sad romance of an 82 year old woman with Alzheimer and a demented 95 year old man, that was broken up by the man's son because of possible inheritence reasons.

There should be a movie made of this. The moral question is this: just how much privacy can an elderly demented person have???
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did they get the conditions before they got married/together or after?

all i can think is the man's son was a greedy pig who wanted all the inheritance to himself!
 
Orleander said:
yep, asguard is right. They can't marry and the will can't be changed. The whole 'being of sound mind' thing.
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they can marry, if they both agree to it, also family members can agree to the marrage, but the son was just greedy and wanted all the inheritance to himself!
 
Alex.A said:
Leaving out the specifics of a dispute over an inheritance, in general terms, the moral question was whether a person suffering from Alzheimers is entitled to a measure of privacy.
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To a measure of privacy, yes. To full privacy, no for safety reasons...
 
Asguard said:
...To stop them having an affair that was giving them pleasure even for religious reasons goes against the legal duty he had and there for the son should be charged with abuse
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They were having sex without being married. Maybe he was protecting his father's soul from hell.
He has a right to get involved in his life if it concerns religion. What if he was giving all his money to Scientologists? What if he wanted to join Heaven's Gate? Money, body, soul. To believers, wouldn't the soul be the most important?

Is his dad even gonna remember he had a girlfriend?
 
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