Weinstein ‘s victims didn’t have everything to loose, they had the prospect of a more ideal career path to loose.
Are you sure about that?
What if reporting a crime makes her a suspect↗?
It's an important question, with killing power↗.
Weinstein ‘s victims didn’t have everything to loose, they had the prospect of a more ideal career path to loose.
I have no doubt that Weinstein could have adversely affected the careers of actors that may have not been receptive to his demands, but that does not equate to loosing everything. All roads to success in the film industry don’t go through a single producer, and if in some bizarro world they did, it would be prudent to walk those roads at your own risk, or maybe not walk them at all.They faced the prospect of ruined careers.
Literally.
He could have ruined their careers and had the power and position to do so.
You know, the suggestion that they didn't have anything to lose, that they could simply have followed a less ideal career path (in the film industry, which really, is ridiculous considering how hard it is to break into the industry to begin with), that they could simply forgo the leading role they had just been cast in (which we saw with several of his victims, where the harassment started upon being cast in their first role), simply because public sensibility would demand that it is the victim of sexual harassment who must go above and beyond to not be sexually harassed.
Where did I ever say that these actresses had nothing to loose? My point was that a career path involving Weinstein, or acting for that matter, isn’t the only path to a successful career.And you, Capracus, do not think that the new up and coming actresses he harassed and in some instances, sexually assaulted, did not have anything to lose?
In other words, how many workers are pressured to not report abuse and criminal activity by their superiors because it may jeopardize the security of their livelihood? It happens in most occupations, from farm worker to pharmaceutical engineer.Name me one other crime, where the victim is expected to ruin or risk their career to assuage public expectation?
It's spelled "losing", "lose", etc. Please.I have no doubt that Weinstein could have adversely affected the careers of actors that may have not been receptive to his demands, but that does not equate to loosing everything.
So you accept this as normal - this is what you imagine the employment and career situation is for women in all walks of life in the US: at any given moment, without notice, they may be confronted with a choice of tolerating a sexual assault on their person, or throwing away their career in a given industry and personal reputation in their community - the life and future they had up until then - on an unknown chance that public opinion might hold the perp to account in some way.In other words, how many workers are pressured to not report abuse and criminal activity by their superiors because it may jeopardize the security of their livelihood? It happens in most occupations, from farm worker to pharmaceutical engineer.
And I may looose my life tomorrow if I write a critical post about Trump today. Because powerful people can do terrible thing to those who spite them.It's spelled "losing", "lose", etc. Please.
Meanwhile, you are quite likely wrong - making an enemy of that guy was so threatening that even adult male actors with established careers were too wary to do it. Not only losing one's career at an early age, but losing one's reputation and other prospects, even making oneself a target for revenge by rich and powerful men, was apparently on the line.
I’m not limiting the scope of abuse and intimidation of workers to just a given category, or directed at a particular gender. And to whatever degree it exists in the wide range of occupations, I don’t believe it should be tolerated. But the fact that these conditions persist beyond the reach of remediation must be acknowledged and dealt with practically by the affected parties. It’s an age old conundrum, does the individual risk their own well being for that of the greater community? It’s a calculation played out every day by people of all walks of life.So you accept this as normal - this is what you imagine the employment and career situation is for women in all walks of life in the US: at any given moment, without notice, they may be confronted with a choice of tolerating a sexual assault on their person, or throwing away their career in a given industry and personal reputation in their community - the life and future they had up until then - on an unknown chance that public opinion might hold the perp to account in some way.
Poe's Law.And I may looose my life tomorrow if I write a critical post about Trump today. Because powerful people can do terrible thing to those who spite them.
You are also not limiting the scope to actually comparable abuses and situations. You are lumping serious lifetime risk and abuse of the vulnerable with comparative trivialities having little downside.I’m not limiting the scope of abuse and intimidation of workers to just a given category, or directed at a particular gender.
Not like this.It’s an age old conundrum, does the individual risk their own well being for that of the greater community? It’s a calculation played out every day by people of all walks of life.
Tell that to Alice Evans and her husband, who lost a role after she refused his advances.I have no doubt that Weinstein could have adversely affected the careers of actors that may have not been receptive to his demands, but that does not equate to loosing everything. All roads to success in the film industry don’t go through a single producer, and if in some bizarro world they did, it would be prudent to walk those roads at your own risk, or maybe not walk them at all.
Brad Pitt's career was already fairly well established. She came from a well known Hollywood family.Brad Pitt and Gwyneth Vagina Rocks stood up to the guy and managed to stay afloat, you don’t imagine untold others possibly did the same?
Where did I ever say that these actresses had nothing to loose?
You said they didn't have everything to lose. They probably felt that they did.Weinstein ‘s victims didn’t have everything to loose, they had the prospect of a more ideal career path to loose.
While ignoring the fact that he was one of the most powerful people in the industry, who bullied and threatened these women.My point was that a career path involving Weinstein, or acting for that matter, isn’t the only path to a successful career.
This is not normal behaviour. But in that industry, it was protected.In other words, how many workers are pressured to not report abuse and criminal activity by their superiors because it may jeopardize the security of their livelihood? It happens in most occupations, from farm worker to pharmaceutical engineer.
... Gwyneth Vagina Rocks ...
Right. But if the downside is they lose their job (and they see examples of that) and the upside is nothing happens (and they ALSO see examples of that) the equation is pretty easy to figure out.It’s an age old conundrum, does the individual risk their own well being for that of the greater community? It’s a calculation played out every day by people of all walks of life.
He could have destroyed their careers, and their personal reputations, and their financial status, and the careers, reputations, and financial status of anyone close to them.I have no doubt that Weinstein could have adversely affected the careers of actors that may have not been receptive to his demands, but that does not equate to loosing everything.
I was not direct enough, above.It’s an age old conundrum, does the individual risk their own well being for that of the greater community?
Say what...? I think this pretty well showcases which side of this particular issue you are on, Capracus...
(bolding mine)I'll ask again, why do people act so surprised when women do not report sexual violence, when we get prime examples like this, of what happens to women when they do report it?
You haven't heard of Gwyneth's vagina rocks?Say what...? I think this pretty well showcases which side of this particular issue you are on, Capracus...
How powerful does a contemptible figure have to be to be considered a threat to ones career or life? Authoritarian heads of state such as Kim Jong Un or Putin probably make good on such threats with relative ease. Fortunately our system of government doesn’t currently allow Trump as head of state that same capacity. But Trump the private billionaire could afford some kind of offensive apparatus to punish his perceived adversaries. How many lives has he ruined or extinguished?Capracus said:And I may looose my life tomorrow if I write a critical post about Trump today. Because powerful people can do terrible thing to those who spite them.Poe's Law.
We cannot tell whether you are sincere or not, there. Seriously.
Do immigrant laborers, coal miners, lab technicians and any other employees who are coerced to work in unsafe environments have comparable risks?You are also not limiting the scope to actually comparable abuses and situations. You are lumping serious lifetime risk and abuse of the vulnerable with comparative trivialities having little downside.
So when other professionals are compromised by the criminal acts of their superiors, you advise them to just walk away? Couldn’t an actress do the same?Comparing the choice between tolerating sexual assault vs loss of career and reputation for no gain , with whatever risk you face by criticizing Trump or refusing to tolerate criminal behavior by a boss (in those circumstances one can usually quit, at a minimum), reveals a complete lack of comprehension.
You haven't heard of Gwyneth's vagina rocks?
Gwyneth Paltrow’s Goop posted a defense of its jade eggs for vaginas. It’s a mess.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea.../goop-gwyneth-paltrow-jade-vagina-egg-defense
It's a long story↱; to the other, what does that really say to your critique? Nor does the link to my random blog post on the subject happen to explicitly include the bit about why a woman wants to cram her hoohah with a hunk of jade.
So when other professionals are compromised by the criminal acts of their superiors, you advise them to just walk away? Couldn’t an actress do the same?
I had heard something about the whole "jade egg" thing a while back and my response then was the same as it is now... to slowly lower my head onto my desk and weep at the gullibility of the average consumer.
Doesn't matter. When it's the case, it's the case.How powerful does a contemptible figure have to be to be considered a threat to ones career or life?
You are now pretending to be in some kind of danger by daring to criticize Trump, and comparing your situation with that faced by those women.. But Trump the private billionaire could afford some kind of offensive apparatus to punish his perceived adversaries. How many lives has he ruined or extinguished?
Sometimes, especially the women.Do immigrant laborers, coal miners, lab technicians and any other employees who are coerced to work in unsafe environments have comparable risks?
Why are you posting gibberish and garbage like that, instead of addressing the posts and issues of the thread?So when other professionals are compromised by the criminal acts of their superiors, you advise them to just walk away?
The disadvantaged.What was the game show? Your hint is, "Crimes against [______]".
An individual with Trumps resources poses a greater threat to a greater number of people thanYou are now pretending to be in some kind of danger by daring to criticize Trump, and comparing your situation with that faced by those women.
Especially the women? Men possess some innate immunity to environmental hazards and social intimidation?Sometimes, especially the women.Capracus said:Do immigrant laborers, coal miners, lab technicians and any other employees who are coerced to work in unsafe environments have comparable risks?
It was you who suggested that employees who are dissatisfied with the conduct of their superiors quit their jobs, that self identified gibberish and garbage belongs to you. In case you haven’t realized it, the practicality of that suggestion is a key issue in this thread.Why are you posting gibberish and garbage like that, instead of addressing the posts and issues of the thread?
So?An individual with Trumps resources poses a greater threat to a greater number of people than
someone in Weinstein’s position.
They just aren't targeted by rapists as often, as in this thread. It's a feature of reality. The next step is you explaining why you think that's important here.Especially the women? Men possess some innate immunity to environmental hazards and social intimidation?
I did not.It was you who suggested that employees who are dissatisfied with the conduct of their superiors quit their jobs,
Do you have something you are trying to say, relevant to that key issue in this thread?n case you haven’t realized it, the practicality of that suggestion is a key issue in this thread.