Originally posted by Wraith
read this shit through again moron, untill you figure out what a twat you are.
Man, your shit gets tired fast. Let's recap here, so that maybe you say somthing that makes sense.
you say:
A person is not evil/immoral etc because he is perceived to be so by society.
and simillarly:
A person is not respectable/moral etc because he is perceived to be so by society.
That would mean that being evil and immoral or respectable/moral are things that exist independantly outside of society. If this is the case, then who is judging our subject to have any of these qualities?
That being the case, I aksed:
So if there if it isn't society that is judging the person, who exactly is it?If a person isn't respectable because he is judged to be so by society, then what makes him so?
It's really not hard to keep up. Please try.
You made the claim. Back it up.
doesn't even deserve an answer. Have you been at the reefer again?
Hey, you are the one claiming those qualities/judgements are made independant of society. If you can't back up your shit, just shut your hole. One liners don't win an argument.
Dipshit, again you equate morality...ok lets scrap that word since it immeadiately conjours up western euro-centric ideas/imagery/notions of morality within a heaven/hell context.......roman Catholic/Baptists to you,...
Oh, nice assumption, but so very WRONG!
Morality doesn't need any religous basis. You are the one making claims that seem to rely on a god, or at the very least concepts of good and evil existing independant of society and human perception.
or as you like to call them Bible bashers,
I do? Funny I thought I said bible thumpers. The two terms have very distinct and different meanings. If you are going to quote me, at least get it right, "dipshit".
which by the way is your method of saying "talk to the hand" since what your doing is shooting down anyone who talks of morality as a "bible basher" hence lacking logic hence clouded by emotion
OH, so close but WRONG again.
See, I have had many conversations on religion, morality and other things by people who believe in a god, be it christian, wiccan whatever. The difference between them and bible thumpers (not bashers, wraith, thumpers) is that thumpers don't think things through. They make a claim and when asked how they support that claim, they fall back on " 'cause that's what it says in the bible". The reason the term bible thumpers(hopefully if i keep repeating it you will catch on.) got brought up, in a comment not even aimed at you or this debate mind you, is because you have yet to show any form of reasoning or support for your claims. You've just pulled them out and said that is how it is, much like a bible thumper.
thus dodging the whole debate yourself.
I am neither a Romcath, Bap, prot, or Bible basher.
Good to know, but you are the one not answering questions, not me. Nice try on the distraction, but you really are going to have to support this house of cards you've built if you don't want it to fall down.
...now back to the debate. Let's scrap the word morality for a while and call it "Basic sense of right and wrong" BSWR in short for you poodle.
Sorry, the poodle is Spookz. I'm the messiah. Get the names right.
Anyway, your BSWR sounds familiar. Oh yeah... Its a fucking conscience. You know what it takes to have one of those??
Come on. It isn't hard. I've all ready given you the definitions..
That's right..MORALS.
Get with the program, jackass.
Now your above quotes show you equate BSRW with the opinions and perceptions of other people. By that skewed logic the most popular people would be the most virtuous.
Perhaps by your skewed lagin that is how they would relate, but not mine. It is pretty simple.
Most moral codes are based on how we interact with other people. If no other people exist, who is there to kill, steel from, rape, lie to, etc? If there is no one to do these things to, and no one to get upset by them happening, then they don't really exist.
Similaly, these morals aren't universal from culture to culture. Is killing your first born just because she is female wrong? Is it immoral? In our society, yes. In others, maybe not.
If X is in truth basically a decent person, it doesn't matter if the whole world thinks he's a shit.
If the while world thinks he's a shit, then who is deciding that it's true that he is a good person? In other words, who decides this truth? (especially, a moral truth)
which religion? define that religion? define religion? which people?
I should have known that would be too much for you to understand. You are claiming an absolute right and wrong that exists outside of human/societal perception. Which religion? Any.
Define it? OK:
Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
- re·li·gion·less adjective
which people? Bible thumpers. People that think that their religious beliefs (especially ones concerning what is right and wrong) are universal and beyond reproach.
you can't even perceive something which you think you've defined in some mish mash sort of way in your thick skull, then you project that false perception onto wha you think I may or not even be!!!
:bugeye: Umm..ok.
Tell you what is sad: You flinging around accusations of me judging you to be this or that just to try to draw attention away from the fact that you have yet to support your argument with anything other than "because I say so".
So I have a false perseption of what you may or may not be, eh?
Set your mind at ease, little wraith. I'll let you in on what I think of you.
You think in circles, don't support arguments, and really have no clue what it is you are talking about at least 60% of the time. To compensate for this, you progect the same on to anyone that backs you into a corner or calls on you to support your claims. About the only other thing I might see happening with you is this childish habit you have of talking shit about people who, otherwise, would bother talking to you, just to get attention.
To put it in a way that is easier to understand:
You talk alot of shit, but have yet to back it up.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups mofo.[/B]
If you know that, then why do you assume so much in your arguments??
BACK THE SHIT UP.
Perhaps compared to some, but definitely not when compared to you.