Did anyone notice that the Bibles were changed in 1982?.
Why is that? What leads you to the presumption that there must be an absolute frame of reference?
don't reject it out of hand based upon preconceptions or a refusal to understand. I reject it because I find no practical value in it. While it may indeed be the case that everything I experience exists only in my mind it gives me no grounds for either action or thought. It leads nowhere which, of course, is what nihilism is all about.The problem I have with this is that even nihilists must think and act and then the question becomes; upon what do they base their actions/thoughts
The easiest way to convey the meaning of curvature would be show examples of things that have that property. After several examples one would come to recognize the property we call curvature.
One object, alone in an infinite Universe, would have no motion or rest.
That is an assumption. We may not be able to prove that they exist but neither can we prove that they do not.
Both. Relative to some objects I am in motion and relative to others I am at rest.
He lied in Genesis.Originally posted by CHRISCUNNINGHAM
For anyone and everyone who doesn't believe in God; what are your BEST refutations against His existence????
Originally posted by CHRISCUNNINGHAM
I'm sure... but the Bible is irrelevant. It's shoddy compilation of chidrens fables and in no way refutes the existence of a God.
Next...
If you only think a god exists without any basis for your thought, do not bother responding.
Um, isn't it quite easy to prove that 1 + 1 equals 2?Nothing needs to create God, because he is the Given Absolute/Axiom that is simply assumed to exist. There is no proof that 1+1=2 exists, yet it is ASSUMED that 1+1=2. But if I have no proof that 1+1=2, then....i guess....it must not equal 2......
Originally posted by CHRISCUNNINGHAM
What is this concept of two?
How was it derived?
One apple plus another apple is not PROOF of "1+1=2" it arbitrarily displays it, and includes the conclusion in the proof itself. You are saying 1+1=2 BECUASE 1+1=2.
How about this...
...God exists because God exists.....
Originally posted by GodLied
He lied in Genesis.
GodLied.
Originally posted by CHRISCUNNINGHAM
...Quite simply put God doesnt have to be a man who is a magician with a flowing beard that likes to grant wishes to be a God. So stop making the assumption that because the existence of such a PERSON seems inane that a God must not exist.
Originally posted by wesmorris
Wouldn't god have to exist to have lied?
How did they lie? I believe they were giving accurate interpretations generally to the best of their ability.. but that ability was significantly limited due to a lack of knowledge regarding their environment, which led to whatever ridiculous explanation you could come up with being as plausible as the next thing. Over time that would develop into intentional skewing so as to seem authoritative, which if you could read and write must have been pretty authoritative to someone who had never seen a person who could do as such. They just lacked good education because there was basically none to be had. After that yeah it became kind of a con, but no more so that any other lack of comprehension like "medicine" at the time. In any feild or craft the opportunistic (shallow) human will take the advantage presents itself and ensures his enhanced propagation into the future. Far too often that advantage is short sighted in terms of the larger context that individual's personal scenario... That's where the part where people are dumb comes in.Originally posted by GodLied
There may have been a habitual liar that started the Old Testament. He might have had multiple personality disorder.
If I am not mistaken, by your own example you have proven that God does not exist. If there is no possible way to prove that 1+1=2--although it seems to make sense--there is no way to prove that God exists, especially because there is nothing that can be equated to a thing such as God. Perhaps I am wrong in this, but how would you prove that God exists if you cannot prove anything else "on God's green Earth"?
Quote the post I made that supports your statement. Failure to do so and you have misrepresented me. Misrepresentation is a false position. Is your true position that a god exists because it is "inane" for God to exist?
What manner of position is this, Chris?
GodLied
Originally posted by Q25
...since He created man in His image, why isnt man invisible?
Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
As I've said previously, we were put here on Earth to be a vessel for the spirit of God, our Creator.
Originally posted by wesmorris
I just love this type of authoritative tripe. As if you have some sort of special knowledge. What? Where do you attain such authority? Why do you fail to realize that the "reason we are here" is both
1) because our mother was impregnated and gave a successfull birth and
2) subjectively interpreted by pretty much every human, though there are a lot of people who are looking for someone to tell them the answer even though nobody has better than a subjective one.
It's amazing how people will buy that you are an authority just because you claim it. How is it that you feel so confident in your eronious conclusion?
Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
It's a very personal revelation.
Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
I do believe I have the responsibility to share this belief with my fellow man
Well, of course. Everyone has that decision to make regardless though.Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
but, ultimately, it is up to the individual to believe whatever they choose to believe.
Then why do you feel compelled to "spread the word"?Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
Personally, I don't care what other people believe.
By "spreading the word" you appear to me to claim authoritative knowledge. I mean, you are the authority regarding your personal revalation right? You feel compelled to spread that message right? As such you claim authority, though your message is completely subjective and IMO, eronious typified tripe. I think that acceptance of a personal "spiritual" experience as implicative of objective truth is extremely short-sighted. You attach meaningless labels like "god" to that which you cannot explain and then promote the idea as some kind of revalation.Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
I've never claimed to be an authority.
I tried to explain your appearance as authoritarian above. Obviously I don't know you and I don't necessarily think your self-confidence is mistaken except regarding your ability to draw rational conclusions from "spiritual" experiences. That and my looming question regarding your apparent compulsion to 'spread the word'.Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
If my self-confidence is mistaken as being authoritarian
Which makes me question your judgement.Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
it is because I believe in this concept with all my heart.
Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
By the way, why does my self-confidence bother you so much?
Originally posted by wesmorris
Pardon, but you seemed to me to be promoting as otherwise.
Maybe it was my self-confidence showing.
Then why do you feel compelled to "spread the word"?
Because I want others to know how I feel about this concept. Beyond my immediate family, I don't necessarily venture out to scorch the Earth with my ideas or anything. But, if asked, I will definitely state my views. This being a 'religion' forum, I certainly felt the comfortable 'opportunity' to express personal ideologies.
...claim authoritative knowledge. I mean, you are the authority regarding your personal revalation right? You feel compelled to spread that message right?
Yes, but being self-confident with one's own revelation doesn't mean that everyone who has their own revelation is so self-confident that they themselves and no one else are right. There is so much confusion about spirituality as shown even in this forum. If I can help another person understand their own spirituality, I believe that it is my responsibility, and by sharing my concepts I will ahve at least let them know what I believe to be true.
As such you claim authority, though your message is completely subjective and IMO, eronious typified tripe.
You're intitled to believe in whatever it is you want.
I think that acceptance of a personal "spiritual" experience as implicative of objective truth is extremely short-sighted. You attach meaningless labels like "god" to that which you cannot explain and then promote the idea as some kind of revalation.
First, let me say, I don't particularly like the name "God." I believe that name is just a variation of the word "good" and nothing more. I think of my Creator to be more of a pure positive spirit, a force of positive energy without a specific personality or gender per se. Also, I don't like to refer to our Creator as "our father." Instinctively and spiritually, this is absurd in my understanding of my Creator.
...your self-confidence is mistaken except regarding your ability to draw rational conclusions from "spiritual" experiences.
How can anyone rationalize conclusions about spiritual experiences? It cannot be proven under hypothesis as far as I know right now. Spirituality is an abstract thought process. It's not an easy thing to define because for each person, it could be different.
That and my looming question regarding your apparent compulsion to 'spread the word'.
Now you say I have a compulsion! If I had a compulsion, I would be out there on the street corner preaching to everyone who walked by! If the opportunity presents itself to me, that's another story. In actuality, I have very few friends who I have discussed this with because I know what their religious beliefs are and they are not like mine. My point here is "to each his own." Some people to whom I have expressed my beliefs have come back to me wanting to know more. I have a regular 'following' where I work which takes up more time than I can afford and still keep my job. I also have friends of opposing views, and I respect their right to their own beliefs. This never gets in the way of our friendship.
Which makes me question your judgement.
That has been said to me many times in my life! When I was a child, they questioned me on why I didn't act like an adult. When I was seven, and forced to go to a Baptist church, they questioned my judgment when I said I didn't believe Jesus died for anyone. As a mature Catholic convert, they questioned my judgment when I gog a divorce. As a Pagan, they questioned my judgment to deny Xianity and said I would surely burn in hell. Today, I don't get that kind of judgmental reactions like I used to. I have more people coming to me for answers to their spiritual questions. I'm not implying here that this makes me an authority, but now that I'm looking at all of this, some people do think I'm an authority. I just don't see that in myself. Ultimately, it is good to question everything! That's why I like sciforums. It gives me an avenue to question and to respond. It's when we're NOT being questioned that we need to worry.