Nina Kulagina and documented psychokinesis

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's a trade secret, I got briefed by the Arisians.

BTW, have you been to skeptic.forum.com? They need some smartening up very badly.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

LOL I see lots of whining about fraud and invoking of the holy name of Randi but nobody yet has explained how she did it. How is she moving the objects in the glass case?

Here's an interesting article about Randi:

The Man Who Destroyed Skepticism

Scourge of psychics James Randi was no skeptic; our culture is poorer as a result

mitch-horowitz-nyc.medium.com

LOL

 

[Pinball1970]

I see lots of whining about fraud

No, just pointing it out. The psychic put forward 37 different names in 30 minutes. If she is psychic why did she have to guess 37 names?
Try to remember these are the famous ones, the successful ones, presumably the real deal?

Uri Fella and the Telephone book dude were just caught out.

Randi was a magician who knew the tricks it was as simple as that.

 

[Magical Realist]

"Journalist and NPR producer Stacy Horn, who wrote about Rhine’s lab at Duke University in her 2009 book Unbelievable, queried Randi in June 2008 about his million-dollar prize. She told me:

I had an exchange with Randi because I was going to have the following sentences about his million-dollar prize in my book:
“To date, Randi’s million-dollar prize has not been awarded, but according to Chris Carter, author of Parapsychology and the Skeptics, Randi backs off from any serious challenge. ‘I always have an out,’ he has been quoted as saying.”
I sent that to Randi to ask him if he really said that. …He wrote back saying that the quote was true, but incomplete. What he really said was, “I always have an ‘out’ — I’m right!”
It seemed like he thought he was being amusing, but I didn’t really know a lot about him yet. But it also seemed to indicate that the million-dollar prize might not really be a serious offer. So I asked him how a decision was made, was there a committee and who was on it? …He replied, “If someone claims they can fly by flapping their arms, the results don’t need any ‘decision.’ What ‘committee’? Why would a committee be required? I don’t understand the question.”
At that point I wrote him off and decided to not mention his prize in my book since it just seemed like a publicity stunt for Randi.

The Man Who Destroyed Skepticism

Scourge of psychics James Randi was no skeptic; our culture is poorer as a result

mitch-horowitz-nyc.medium.com

 

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"Journalist and NPR producer Stacy Horn, who wrote about Rhine’s lab at Duke University in her 2009 book Unbelievable, queried Randi in June 2008 about his million-dollar prize. She told me:

The Man Who Destroyed Skepticism

Scourge of psychics James Randi was no skeptic; our culture is poorer as a result

mitch-horowitz-nyc.medium.com

Complete outright lie about Randi.

 

[James R]

Not sure what to think about this fascinating woman.

You're not? That would be a first.

You mean you're actually wondering whether she was a fraud?

I don't believe you.

The films of the scientifically-controlled demonstrations of her enigmatic powers seem real enough.

To whom? To the most gullible man on Earth? Figures.

But the toll such feats took upon her health perhaps ended up making any of it unuseable or impractical.

How do you know that her "feats" took a toll on her health?

An incredible historical case of rare superhuman ability nonetheless...

But you don't know what to think about this fascinating woman.

 

[Magical Realist]

But you don't know what to think about this fascinating woman

Either she really had psychokinetic powers, or she was clever enough to pull one over on Russian scientists. In either case she would be a fascinating woman.

 

[James R]

Either she really had psychokinetic powers, or she was clever enough to pull one over on Russian scientists. In either case she would be a fascinating woman.

What have you read about her pulling one over on Russian scientists? Anything?

 

[Magical Realist]

What have you read about her pulling one over on Russian scientists? Anything?

"During the Cold War, silent black-and-white films were produced, in which she appeared to move objects on a table in front of her without touching them. These films were allegedly made under controlled conditions for Soviet authorities and caused excitement for many psychic researchers around the world, some of whom believed that they represented clear evidence for the existence of psychic phenomena. According to reports from the Soviet Union, 40 scientists, two of whom were Nobel laureates, studied Kulagina.[13] In Investigating Psychics, Larry Kettlekamp claims that Kulagina was filmed separating broken eggs that had been submerged in water, moving apart the whites and yolks, during which event such physical changes were recorded as accelerated and altered: heartbeat, brain waves and electromagnetic field.[14] To ensure that external electromagnetic impulses did not interfere, she was placed inside of a metal cage while she supposedly demonstrated an ability to remove a marked matchstick from a pile of matchsticks under a glass dome....

One of Kulagina's most celebrated experiments took place in a Leningrad laboratory on 10 March 1970. Having initially studied the ability to move inanimate objects, scientists were curious to see if Kulagina's abilities extended to cells, tissues, and organs. Sergeyev was one of many scientists present when Kulagina attempted to use her energy to stop the beating of a frog's heart floating in solution. He said that she focused intently on the heart and apparently made it beat faster, then slower, and using extreme intent of thought, stopped it." --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina

 

[James R]

"During the Cold War, silent black-and-white films were produced, in which she appeared to move objects on a table in front of her without touching them. These films were allegedly made under controlled conditions for Soviet authorities and caused excitement for many psychic researchers around the world, some of whom believed that they represented clear evidence for the existence of psychic phenomena. According to reports from the Soviet Union, 40 scientists, two of whom were Nobel laureates, studied Kulagina.[13] In Investigating Psychics, Larry Kettlekamp claims that Kulagina was filmed separating broken eggs that had been submerged in water, moving apart the whites and yolks, during which event such physical changes were recorded as accelerated and altered: heartbeat, brain waves and electromagnetic field.[14] To ensure that external electromagnetic impulses did not interfere, she was placed inside of a metal cage while she supposedly demonstrated an ability to remove a marked matchstick from a pile of matchsticks under a glass dome....

One of Kulagina's most celebrated experiments took place in a Leningrad laboratory on 10 March 1970. Having initially studied the ability to move inanimate objects, scientists were curious to see if Kulagina's abilities extended to cells, tissues, and organs. Sergeyev was one of many scientists present when Kulagina attempted to use her energy to stop the beating of a frog's heart floating in solution. He said that she focused intently on the heart and apparently made it beat faster, then slower, and using extreme intent of thought, stopped it." --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina

Nothing, then. As expected.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

LOL

Either she really had psychokinetic powers, or she was clever enough to pull one over on Russian scientists. In either case she would be a fascinating woman.

People talk themselves into believe all kinds of stupidity. Scientist are not Sherlock Holmes-clones, they're just people with a particular talent.

Ergo, your either/or is not sufficient to explain things. You struggle to limit the convo to what you can handle. That should be a red flag for you.

 

[Magical Realist]

Nothing, then. As expected.

One intriguing thing about her and other PK cases I have studied is that the energy emitted from her is NOT either magnetic or electrical. She was able to perform the PK feats while inside a Faraday cage thru a glass case. So whatever it is it is some kind of energy or force we have not discovered yet. That's very interesting to me.

Here's a well-documented PK case of a boy around whom electrical devices would quit functioning or malfunction when he was near them. In one incident when he was getting impatient demanding a sandwich the toaster started to heat up. The toaster was unplugged!

2013 case study of boy with poltergeist/PK effects on electronic devices

Astonishing and well-investigated case of a boy who has a direct and negative effect on any electronic devices around him. Confirms the popular theory among parapsychologists of at least some poltergeist phenomena being caused by the unconscious PK energies of a present adolescent child. In...

www.sciforums.com

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Astonishing to whom? Well-documented by whom? You don't post this information because it looks like complete twaddle when you do.

 

[Pinball1970]

invoking of the holy name of Randi

It's not just Randi, these claims never stand up to scrutiny and that really is a big deal when assessing whether something is true or not.

 

[James R]

One intriguing thing about her and other PK cases I have studied is that the energy emitted from her is NOT either magnetic or electrical.

I assume that nobody actually measured any "energy" being emitted from her.

She was able to perform the PK feats while inside a Faraday cage thru a glass case.

Stage magicians often use invisible threads, so this might not be as astounding as you think it is.

So whatever it is it is some kind of energy or force we have not discovered yet.

You're jumping to conclusions prematurely, as usual.

Here's a well-documented PK case of a boy around whom electrical devices would quit functioning or malfunction when he was near them. In one incident when he was getting impatient demanding a sandwich the toaster started to heat up. The toaster was unplugged!

This happened under controlled conditions in a laboratory, I take it?

 

[Magical Realist]

This happened under controlled conditions in a laboratory, I take it?

Two parapsychologists from the Rhine Institute basically lived in the house where the boy and his family lived. The intent was to observe firsthand his involuntary hypothetical influence over electronic devices. After many days of seeing exactly that repeatedly and ruling out coincidental random malfunctions and seeing how the incidents correlated to the boy's stress level, they taught the boy how to calm down by using breathing exercises. This appeared to diminish the pk incidents until it stopped completely. EMF readings taken around the boy's body showed no electromagnetic field being generated during the incidents..

 

[Magical Realist]

John Chang AKA Dynamo Jack is filmed in the 90's performing astonishing feats of exerted Chi energy from his hands and body. Lights a wadded up newspaper on fire with his hand and shocks people with his body. His body is scanned for any metal and finds none. Attempts to detect electrical voltages on his body failed and none were detected. Yet he could light an led bulb with his fingers. Solid proof that PK called Chi in this case is definitely the real thing!