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Mr. Spock, for the 18th time I ask again, why not switch to a DEFENSIVE plan? Why not save Israeli lives?
Is that question so hard for you that you can only call SAM names INSTEAD OF REPLYING?

Because once you go defensive, you are on the road to defeat, and destruction, and no live are saved in the end.

Look at any war in history, once a party to the war is moved to defensive operation, they lose the war.

Can you name any war in history that was won on the defensive.
 
...Can you name any war in history that was won on the defensive.
The cold war with the USSR is the most recent example.

Regean's DEFENSIVE star wars expenditures could not be off set by the USSR's economy and it collapsed. Fact that is had centrally managed economy also helped achieve this, but countering star wars DEFENSES is why it did when it did - gave victory to the west and killed the USSR, which is currently trying to return. (GWB's needless OFFENSIVE WARS are doing the same economic destruction to the USA now. - Depression, with considerable social unrest in USSA, are now IMHO, unavoidable.

SUMMARY;
Excessive offenses always in the long run results in the destruction of those taking that path. I expect that Israel will be destroyed in a decade or two by by well dispersed biological agent like ebola released from Tel-A-Vive window or roof tops by some who have nothing left to live for. - I have given more details on this in earlier posts. Keep up the "high kill ratio" policy and Israeli will die from it.

The Bible puts it well:

"Those who live by the sword, will die by the sword."
 
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Ongoing land theft in action:

Palestinian residents of a West Bank village say 10 people have been lightly hurt by Israeli troops who dispersed a demonstration against Israel's separation barrier Thursday.

Israel says troops fired tear gas and rubber-coated steel pellets to break up the demonstration in Naalin. The village has been the site of frequent protests against the barrier. Residents say the structure will cut them off from their farmlands.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5j-JIcmTiHK_toxHwrv2J0RHQ2kEw

Next, by being cut off from their lands, they will be termed absentee owners and the land "confiscated" for Jewish settlers.

Watch this space.

Jewish leaders, who live in Chicago and New York and behind the gates of Boca Raton country clubs, loathe the idea that Mr. Olmert, or a prime minister yet elected, might one day cede the Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem to the latent state of Palestine. These are neighborhoods—places like Sur Baher, Beit Hanina and Abu Dis—that the Conference of Presidents could not find with a forked stick...And yet many Jewish leaders believe that an Israeli compromise on the boundaries of greater Jerusalem—or on nearly any other point of disagreement—is an axiomatic invitation to catastrophe.”

When he spoke with Olmert several days later, Goldberg continued, the Israeli prime minister “said that certain American Jews he would not name have been ‘investing a lot of money trying to overthrow the government of Israel.’ But he was expansive and persuasive on the Zionist need for a Palestinian state. Without a Palestine—a viable, territorially contiguous Palestine—Arabs under Israeli control will, in the not distant future, outnumber the country’s Jews. ‘We now have the Palestinians running an Algeria-style campaign against Israel, but what I fear is that they will try to run a South Africa-type campaign against us,’ he said. If this happens, and worldwide sanctions are imposed as they were against the white-minority government, ‘the state of Israel is finished.’”

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/August_2008/0808046.html

Hail to the Jewish Nation.

“Every attempt to keep hold of this area as one political entity leads, necessarily, to either a nondemocratic or a non-Jewish state. Because if the Palestinians vote, then it is a binational state, and if they don’t vote it is an apartheid state that might then become another Belfast or Bosnia.”

And the oppression goes on:

Israeli forces arrested 11 Palestinians in West Bank during raids and search operations in the occupied territory, Palestinian and Israeli sources said on Thursday.

Seven Palestinians were arrested in al-Dehisha refugee camp in the holy city of Bethlehem, the Palestinian sources said. Two of the detainees were teenagers wounded by the soldiers when the troops entered the camp in the dawn.

Even refugee camps are not safe for the displaced. :(

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/14/content_9302253.htm
 
I thought this was supposed to be "S.A.M.'s News from Gaza". In any case, Israel now has another offer on the table for withdrawing from all but a tiny fraction of the West Bank, with Israeli territory given to Palestinians as compensation for the comfiscated land. Not a 100% fair deal, but a good starting point. Hopefully Israel ups the ante and gives a true land for land deal that will enable the West Bank to become a contiguous territory free of Israeli settlers and occupying troops. I feel such a deal is coming, but Israel will have to sort out its domestic politics first, and the Palestinians will have to deliver some sort of response. If 20 years down the road Israel has left an offer on the table for abandoning the West Bank and the Palestinians have refused to negotiate in any forum, the apartheid argument won't work, because they wouldn't be committing to any future peace.
 
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I thought this was supposed to be "S.A.M.'s News from Gaza". In any case, Israel now has another offer on the table for withdrawing from all but a tiny fraction of the West Bank, with Israeli territory given to Palestinians as compensation for the comfiscated land. Not a 100% fair deal, but a good starting point.

You're kidding right? Do you even know what the deal is?

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=84152
 
93% of the land is a good starting point. That leaves only the remaining 7% to negotiate on, and I'm sure a deal could be hammered out that would provide for a sovereign, contiguous West Bank with Jerusalem as its capital and the Palestinians receiving fair compensation in both land and money for any territorial losses. Obviously the Israeli proposal is unrealistic from a Palestinian POV- but getting back 93% of their land is nothing to sneeze at from an initial offer. Far better than no offer at all. Would be nice if Israel would make a realistic proposal and be done with it, though. The occupation is weighing the Israelis down way too much for them to be fussing over small parcels of land.
 
93% of the land is a good starting point. That leaves only the remaining 7% to negotiate on, and I'm sure a deal could be hammered out that would provide for a sovereign, contiguous West Bank with Jerusalem as its capital and the Palestinians receiving fair compensation in both land and money for any territorial losses. Obviously the Israeli proposal is unrealistic from a Palestinian POV- but getting back 93% of their land is nothing to sneeze at from an initial offer. Far better than no offer at all. Would be nice if Israel would make a realistic proposal and be done with it, though. The occupation is weighing the Israelis down way too much for them to be fussing over small parcels of land.

So if the deal were reversed, you think Israel should take it?

Btw, 93% is a false figure, since Israel intends to keep all the land occupied by Jews and also all the land in the apartheid barrier. And they are STILL expanding the settlements.

The EU presidency is "deeply concerned by the decision by the Israeli authorities to approve the construction" of 400 housing units in the Neve Yaakov settlement in east Jerusalem and to invite tenders for a total of 316 housing units in the Beitar Illit settlement in the West Bank and Har Homa, also in east Jerusalem.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hhVHLxukrK2yB5048bz2MU0anpIA

Israel has proposed building a new Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank near Jerusalem, a spokesman for the main settlers organisation said on Monday.

The Defence Ministry, which oversees the issue, made no comment on a move that would be seen by Palestinians and by Israel's U.S. and European allies as a breach of commitments to halt settlement activity on land Palestinians want for a state.


http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLB85633

Land thieves, is what they are. From the very beginning.
 
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93% of the land is a good starting point. That leaves only the remaining 7% to negotiate on, and I'm sure a deal could be hammered out that would provide for a sovereign, contiguous West Bank with Jerusalem as its capital and the Palestinians receiving fair compensation in both land and money for any territorial losses. Obviously the Israeli proposal is unrealistic from a Palestinian POV- but getting back 93% of their land is nothing to sneeze at from an initial offer. Far better than no offer at all. Would be nice if Israel would make a realistic proposal and be done with it, though. The occupation is weighing the Israelis down way too much for them to be fussing over small parcels of land.

what negotiations? palestinians dont want jews on "their land". why do you think they slaughtered all those jews from 29 till now?
 
The cold war with the USSR is the most recent example.

Regean's DEFENSIVE star wars expenditures could not be off set by the USSR's economy and it collapsed. Fact that is had centrally managed economy also helped achieve this, but countering star wars DEFENSES is why it did when it did - gave victory to the west and killed the USSR, which is currently trying to return. (GWB's needless OFFENSIVE WARS are doing the same economic destruction to the USA now. - Depression, with considerable social unrest in USSA, are now IMHO, unavoidable.

Sorry but that is a offensive action, it wasn't the defensive measures that defeated the Soviet Union it was the affirmative action of attacking the economy.

By our actions we over road the Soviet economy and defeated them.

SUMMARY;
Excessive offenses always in the long run results in the destruction of those taking that path. I expect that Israel will be destroyed in a decade or two by by well dispersed biological agent like ebola released from Tel-A-Vive window or roof tops by some who have nothing left to live for. - I have given more details on this in earlier posts. Keep up the "high kill ratio" policy and Israeli will die from it.

Suicide to kill your enemy is not victory, it is as you point out in the below post:

The Bible puts it well:
"Those who live by the sword, will die by the sword."

And the Palestinians do nothing but live by the sword, and they would suffer more by a attack like that than the Israelis, they have no medical infrastructure to even start to deal with a out break like that and they would die like flies after the first frost of fall.

Israel would come out of that situation in far better shape than the Palestinians, or even the Arab countries around them.

Can you see the pandemic in the Middle East that action would result in, it would spread like wild fire, across Europe and Asia, and the New world would shoot down any aircraft, sink any ship that would approach our shore.

Yes, live by the sword, die by the sword.

Even the Arabs would curse Palestinians with their last breath.
 
Palestinians have swords? Strange. Isn't it Americans who have the biggest arms industry in the world?
 
Sorry but that is a offensive action, it wasn't the defensive measures that defeated the Soviet Union it was the affirmative action of attacking the economy.

By our actions we over road the Soviet economy and defeated them.



Suicide to kill your enemy is not victory, it is as you point out in the below post:



And the Palestinians do nothing but live by the sword, and they would suffer more by a attack like that than the Israelis, they have no medical infrastructure to even start to deal with a out break like that and they would die like flies after the first frost of fall.

Israel would come out of that situation in far better shape than the Palestinians, or even the Arab countries around them.

Can you see the pandemic in the Middle East that action would result in, it would spread like wild fire, across Europe and Asia, and the New world would shoot down any aircraft, sink any ship that would approach our shore.

Yes, live by the sword, die by the sword.

Even the Arabs would curse Palestinians with their last breath.

Palestinians are just eager to destroy any little hope of future they have for themselves. but they deserve it, all that HATE their nurtured for jews all those years is backfiring.
 
Heh, they are the ones looking for a one state solution, its the European Jews who are scrambling [on Palestinian land] to maintain their Aryan Jewish state.
 
So if the deal were reversed, you think Israel should take it?

If Israeli land were being occupied and they were offered 93% of it back, it would be a good place to start. Israel gave the Sinai peninsula they took in 1967 back to Egypt for peace, that's a much bigger concession to make (almost 50% of the land under their control, and a domestic oil supply).

Btw, 93% is a false figure, since Israel intends to keep all the land occupied by Jews and also all the land in the apartheid barrier. And they are STILL expanding the settlements.

I was under the impression the 93% included Israeli settlements, or else compensatory territory for the territory those settlements occupy. So if land behind the separation barrier and an end to settlement expansion aren't included, I suppose those are the two most unpalatable aspects of the deal from your POV, in which case those can be negotiated on.

what negotiations? palestinians dont want jews on "their land". why do you think they slaughtered all those jews from 29 till now?

Doesn't matter what they want. Some Palestinians are still realistic enough to know they're better off burying the hatchet and moving to build their own state than they are in a state of eternal poverty and war.

Heh, they are the ones looking for a one state solution, its the European Jews who are scrambling [on Palestinian land] to maintain their Aryan Jewish state.

How can Israel be an Aryan state when more than 50% of its citizens descend from muslim countries? More than half of Israelis descend from the 1 million jews who were kicked out and had real estate several times the size of Israel confiscated in those countries. Which makes me think, wouldn't a fair deal involve the arab countries giving up land equivalent to what they confiscated, to be divvied up between Israel and Palestine? Easier to implement than sending millions of jews back to the muslim countries they descend from, where they would doubtlessly be slaughtered or tossed in the gutters.
 
You keep harping on the 93%. 93% of what?

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Israel created the Jewish state. No one else. On Palestinian land. If they want compensation for the Jews kicked out of Arab countries, let them first compensate each and every Palestinian who lost their home, since they are the ones who wanted a home for the Jews in land that did not belong to them. Where until today they are expanding indiscriminately. The irony that they accuse Ahmedinejad of wiping out Israel. Israel itself is wiping out Palestine.
 
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If Israeli land were being occupied and they were offered 93% of it back, it would be a good place to start. Israel gave the Sinai peninsula they took in 1967 back to Egypt for peace, that's a much bigger concession to make (almost 50% of the land under their control, and a domestic oil supply).



I was under the impression the 93% included Israeli settlements, or else compensatory territory for the territory those settlements occupy. So if land behind the separation barrier and an end to settlement expansion aren't included, I suppose those are the two most unpalatable aspects of the deal from your POV, in which case those can be negotiated on.



Doesn't matter what they want. Some Palestinians are still realistic enough to know they're better off burying the hatchet and moving to build their own state than they are in a state of eternal poverty and war.



How can Israel be an Aryan state when more than 50% of its citizens descend from muslim countries? More than half of Israelis descend from the 1 million jews who were kicked out and had real estate several times the size of Israel confiscated in those countries. Which makes me think, wouldn't a fair deal involve the arab countries giving up land equivalent to what they confiscated, to be divvied up between Israel and Palestine? Easier to implement than sending millions of jews back to the muslim countries they descend from, where they would doubtlessly be slaughtered or tossed in the gutters.

cant you see what she is doing? dont give her the courtesy. she can debate herself, i pay no attention to her rubbish.
 
Ever wonder what happened to the Palestinians on whose homes you built yours? Who left empty handed because your parents thought they had a greater right to their land, their home, their stuff? Who cannot return because they are the not the oh so speshull Joos? Do you know their names? Their location? Which refugee camp they are rotting away in because the Joos deserve a country in their lands?
 
Israel created the Jewish state. No one else. On Palestinian land. If they want compensation for the Jews kicked out of Arab countries, let them first compensate each and every Palestinian who lost their home, since they are the ones who wanted a home for the Jews in land that did not belong to them.

Even if you neglect that it was the Arabs who declared war on Israel in 1948, not the other way around, that would be a great bargain for Israel. Why not do both transactions at once? Then Israel wouldn't have to do much but sit there and collect vast sums of cash and land, and assemble a team of surveyors to redraw and adjust the borders accordingly. Kind of like how Europe's map was adjusted and territories shifted after WW2.

cant you see what she is doing? dont give her the courtesy. she can debate herself, i pay no attention to her rubbish.

I usually just chime in when I see S.A.M. contradicting herself, otherwise when it gets too unreasonable I just stay away. Remember, it's not just us reading and discussing these sorts of viewpoints, but staying silent on it doesn't help.

Ever wonder what happened to the Palestinians on whose homes you built yours? Who left empty handed because your parents thought they had a greater right to their land, their home, their stuff? Who cannot return because they are the not the oh so speshull Joos? Do you know their names? Their location? Which refugee camp they are rotting away in because the Joos deserve a country in their lands?

What's with this Joos talk? I see it on aljazeera.com all the time, what's it supposed to mean? So it's ok if I start calling islam "in-slum"?
 
Even if you neglect that it was the Arabs who declared war on Israel in 1948, not the other way around, that would be a great bargain for Israel. Why not do both transactions at once? Then Israel wouldn't have to do much but sit there and collect vast sums of cash and land, and assemble a team of surveyors to redraw and adjust the borders accordingly. Kind of like how Europe's map was adjusted and territories shifted after WW2.

The Arabs declared war? The Europeans invaded Palestine!!!:bugeye:

Tell me what the fricking hell are Americans doing forming settler colonies on Palestinian land, when Palestinians are suffering in refugee camps unable to come home?

43 new olim arrive in Israel

Young Americans decide to come to Israel, join IDF. Nefesh B' Nefesh, Immigrant Absorption Ministry facilitate move
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3582881,00.html

Why don't they consider themselves Americans? Who gives a rats ass about their being Jewish? How does that give them ANY right to live in Palestine? Any of them?

What's with this Joos talk? I see it on Al Jazeera all the time, what's it supposed to mean? So it's ok if I start calling islam "inslum"?

Dunno about al-Jazeera, but its Spock talk.
 
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