These are still tandem repeats and rearranging of the same DNA
There is an even exchange of energy transpiring here. For instance, the simple act of just burning the gasoline in our cars gets transformed to other forms of energy/matter and in the process the entropy of our world increases.
There is even scientific evidence that the overall amount of gas in the entire Universe is dissipating.
A seed is programmed with the exact amount of energy that it will ever need from the DNA instructions that are in it before it even begins to grow.
A virus is something separate than DNA. It is conflicting information causing malfunction since it is not recognizable by the other DNA.
Nature could never on its own create GM (Genetically Modified) crops.
The reason for this is that the fruits and vegetables (even wheat) were specifically designed by G-d to be ingested by humans, animals and insects in such a way that is to be recognized by their cells in a beneficial way so nutrients can be absorbed.
It is clear to see that these modified food/genes are indeed a “lower evolutionary” step since they are really no good in terms of valid nutrition.
What Deuteronomy, a set of laws and customs laid down by Moses (according to the legend), is actually saying here is: ensure that the best hybrids survive by weeding out unwanted plants. Keep the cross-pollination rate down, by husbanding crops away from any wild relatives.Anita Meyer said:Deuteronomy 22:9 - Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.
--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maizewikipedia said:There are several theories about the specific origin of maize in Mesoamerica:[17]
1. It may be a direct domestication of a Mexican annual teosinte, Zea mays ssp. parviglumis, native to the Balsas River valley of southern Mexico, with up to 12% of its genetic material obtained from Zea mays ssp. mexicana through introgression.
2. It may have been derived from hybridization between a small domesticated maize (a slightly changed form of a wild maize) and a teosinte of section Luxuriantes, either Z. luxurians or Z. diploperennis.
3. It may have undergone two or more domestications either of a wild maize or of a teosinte.
4. It may have evolved from a hybridization of Z. diploperennis by Tripsacum dactyloides. (The term "teosinte" describes all species and subspecies in the genus Zea, excluding Zea mays ssp. mays.)
In the late 1930s, Paul Mangelsdorf suggested that domesticated maize was the result of a hybridization event between an unknown wild maize and a species of Tripsacum, a related genus. However, the proposed role of tripsacum (gama grass) in the origins of maize has been refuted by modern genetic testing, refuting Mangelsdorf’s model and the fourth listed above.
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The domestication of maize is of particular interest to researchers — archaeologists, geneticists, ethnobotanists, geographers, etc. The process is thought by some to have started 7,500 to 12,000 years ago.
Research from the 1950s to 1970s originally focused on the hypothesis that maize domestication occurred in the highlands between Oaxaca and Jalisco, due to the fact that the oldest known examples of maize were found there. Both archaeological and botanical studies published in 2009 now point to the lowlands of the Balsas River valley, at least 8,700 years ago.[18] The crop wild relative teosinte most similar to modern maize grows in the area of the Balsas River.
Some of the earliest pollen remains from Latin America have been found in lake sediments from Costa Rica (Laguna Martinez) and have been radiocarbon dated to around 4700 years ago.[citation needed] Archaeological remains of early maize ears, found at Guila Naquitz Cave in the Oaxaca Valley, date back roughly 6,250 years; the oldest ears from caves near Tehuacan, Puebla, date ca. 2750 BC.
Little change occurred in ear form until ca. 1100 BC when great changes appeared in ears from Mexican caves: maize diversity rapidly increased and archaeological teosinte was first deposited.
On the one hand you claim that Darwin's Finches are just small changes, and don't represent evolution.
Then, on the other hand, you claim that because there's no evidence of small changes in the fossil record, evolution is false.
You think GM foods are less nutritious than natural foods? Who told you that?“ It is clear to see that these modified food/genes are indeed a “lower evolutionary” step since they are really no good in terms of valid nutrition. ”
“ The reason for this is that the fruits and vegetables (even wheat) were specifically designed by G-d to be ingested by humans, animals and insects in such a way that is to be recognized by their cells in a beneficial way so nutrients can be absorbed. ”
I'm not sure if it's true for wheat, but it is true that fruits were specifically evolved to be ingested (as a means of spreading seeds). But the plants evolved this ability for their own good, not for the good of animals or humans. And there's no evidence that God had anything to do with it (nor did G-d).
Viruses work precisely because they are indistinguishable from normal DNA. Cells happily incorporate viruses into their DNA - they don't know the difference.“ A virus is something separate than DNA. It is conflicting information causing malfunction since it is not recognizable by the other DNA. ”
Regarding seeds: You may have noticed that seeds grow - sometimes into enormous trees. Do you think that a seed has all the energy necessary to run a gigantic tree somehow concentrated into the little seed? Where does all the raw material for the tree come from? Do you think it expands magically out of the seed? Is it just possible, do you think, that external energy inputs are needed to produce a tree from a seed? Or do actually believe that's impossible?
No there isn't. Don't be silly.“ There is even scientific evidence that the overall amount of gas in the entire Universe is dissipating. ”
Again hostility is being used as a self defense mechanism.
Tiktaalik is not a sufficient transitional fossil. It is a separate species. Apparently it was a fully formed functional creature (as I attempted to explain in my previous post). Nothing abnormal about it.
No Trippy I never said the later. I said small changes - as in “incomplete transitional forms”. I said a true transitional (intermediate) form would have non-functioning (malfunctioning) faulty parts or appendages, such as the nub (root) of a leg, arm or wing. We should at least be finding some fossils that show a deformed fin in the process of halfway changing into a arm, leg or wing. Darwin’s Finches had fully functioning beaks. And no Tiktaalik is not a true transitional form.
“ Originally Posted by Anita Meyer
Deuteronomy 22:9 - Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled. ”
What Deuteronomy, a set of laws and customs laid down by Moses (according to the legend), is actually saying here is: ensure that the best hybrids survive by weeding out unwanted plants. Keep the cross-pollination rate down, by husbanding crops away from any wild relatives.
Corn didn't used to look much like the modern varieties you can grow now; we've been hybridizing maize for at least 8,000 years.
And Tiktaalik is but one step, one of several intermediate steps.
One only needs to look at the evolution of the eye to see that.
Tiktaalik is not a sufficient transitional fossil. It is a separate species. Apparently it was a fully formed functional creature (as I attempted to explain in my previous post). Nothing abnormal about it.
I said a true transitional (intermediate) form would have non-functioning (malfunctioning) faulty parts or appendages, such as the nub (root) of a leg, arm or wing.
We should at least be finding some fossils that show a deformed fin in the process of halfway changing into a arm, leg or wing.
Darwin’s Finches had fully functioning beaks.
James, there is plenty of evidence for this since most of our foods come from the natural world. Everything works in harmony and perfect balance because it was designed to, not because it evolved that way.
James a virus is not completely indistinguishable from cells. Especially when it starts to invade the whole system such as the human body or even a computer. In the body it is finally destroyed and in a computer it has to be cleaned and illiminated.
Yes it is dissipating! Everything is in a state of entropy such as our Sun and that also applies to the Universe.
This is getting silly, but that already happened with post #1.Anita Meyer said:I am referring to foods that have been “bioengineered” (genetically modified foods) to be resistant to insects or drought. These are not natural or healthy to eat either as they cause allergies in some people. That is because they were not intentionally created by G-d in this fashion, and we learn this lesson later.
'sigh'ibid said:Allergy
Maize contains lipid transfer protein, an indigestible protein that survives cooking. This protein has been linked to a rare and understudied allergy to maize in humans.[12] The allergic reaction can cause skin rash, swelling or itching of mucus membranes, diarrhea, vomiting, asthma and, in severe cases, anaphylaxis. It is unclear how common this allergy is in the general population.
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Not "deformed" - that wouldn't be fully functioning. What we do see, in whale ancestor species for instance, is one set of leg bones getting smaller and smaller over generations, eventually being absorbed into the body. But those rear-leg bones still exist in modern whales.“ We should at least be finding some fossils that show a deformed fin in the process of halfway changing into a arm, leg or wing. ”
Tell me, Anita: why would your God design whales with useless leg bones inside their bodies?
Of course. If they didn't function, the finches would have died instead of going on to reproduce.“ Darwin’s Finches had fully functioning beaks. ”
Completely irrelevant.That’s what they first thought about the Coelacanth fish. As it turns out they are still alive and living on the sea floor. They are just another species of fish - and that’s all!
In other words, you're completely unable to counter the argument.I know precisely where youre attempting to go with the Trippy and I am not going to go down that road with you. I simply know that G-d designed the eye special for each individual living thing and that also includes the human eye. However if you still persist in this matter I leave you with one thought, make of it what you will.
I didn't say anything about sight, I only mentioned the evolutionof the eye.What is sight aside from its physical attributes? Is anything that we see truly “material”, because what we see with our eyes is really only rays of electrical signals (energy) that is transmitted by neurons and deciphered by a tiny part in the back of the brain. Thus the brain is also a material thing in itself, and in truthfulness the room that we are in, is really “within” us, and not the other way around. Funny how we can dream in sleep, and within our brain still have the sensations to see with our eyes and touch with our hands, yet we have neither eyes nor hands. What is left? Only a incorporeal/spiritual matter - hence faith.
Originally Posted by Anita Meyer
What is sight aside from its physical attributes? Is anything that we see truly “material”, because what we see with our eyes is really only rays of electrical signals (energy) that is transmitted by neurons and deciphered by a tiny part in the back of the brain. Thus the brain is also a material thing in itself, and in truthfulness the room that we are in, is really “within” us, and not the other way around. Funny how we can dream in sleep, and within our brain still have the sensations to see with our eyes and touch with our hands, yet we have neither eyes nor hands. What is left? Only a incorporeal/spiritual matter - hence faith.
Trippy, I am saying that both sight and the eye is spiritual in nature and you cannot disclaim that by the example that I had used.
One only needs to look at the evolution of the eye to see that.
I'm not interested in talking about invisible friends for the time being. Your comments completely miss the mark.
James I am a firm creationists and will always remain so!
Yes, how about Whales… They give birth tail-first and upside-down. And it usually takes a long time. If they gave birth head-first the baby would die of lack of oxygen. Now how did evolution know how to do that? Did it wait until all the baby whales drowned and then realized that they needed to give breach birth?
James it was recently discovered that these appendages (vestigial legs) are actually used for reproduction. Furthermore these vestigial legs are only found in the “male” and are used to anchor the muscles attached to the penis.
That is my whole point! Where are the fossils of the weak ones that died out? There should be many of them! And ones that were deformed in some way that they couldnt feed themselves.
It is thought that the ancestors of whales gave birth on land, even though they spent most of their time in the water. As they gradually evolved towards a full-time aquatic existence, no doubt their would have been problems for some animals who gave birth with the young head first. Those young would not have survived, as you say. Therefore, only descendants of animals who gave birth tail first (or hind-limbs first) would have continued in the gene pool after a while. And that leads us to the present position, where whales all give birth the way they do. There's still the occasional mistake, of course, which is more evidence for evolution.Yes, how about Whales… They give birth tail-first and upside-down. And it usually takes a long time. If they gave birth head-first the baby would die of lack of oxygen. Now how did evolution know how to do that? Did it wait until all the baby whales drowned and then realized that they needed to give breach birth? ”
Your understanding of how evolution and natural selection works appears to be woeful. I suggest you read a basic text on evolution from a source other than the Discovery Institute. You really need to educate yourself on some of the real science so you don't keep making yourself look stupid.
This is nonsense - especially the part about vestigial legs only being found in male whales. Where do you get this stuff? It would be funny if it wasn't so flat-out wrong. I mean, 10 minutes on the internet will show you that you're wrong, if you bother to really look.James it was recently discovered that these appendages (vestigial legs) are actually used for reproduction. Furthermore these vestigial legs are only found in the “male” and are used to anchor the muscles attached to the penis. ”
That is my whole point! Where are the fossils of the weak ones that died out? There should be many of them! And ones that were deformed in some way that they couldnt feed themselves. ”
There are many fossils of animals that have deformities or evidence of sickness or injury. There are few examples of wildly unsuccessful animals, however. Why? Because if they were so unsuccessful, they would not have lasted long in the gene pool and their family lines would quickly have died out. Even for tremendously successful species with millions of members, fossilization is a very rare occurrence. So, the answer to your question, Anita, is that it's a simple matter of statistics.
Anita, you may have answered this already but 19 pages is daunting... Where did you get your information about how to apply the Qabalah alphabet properly to receive information about nature and God?
Well done Anita, you just demonstrated you're amazingly ignorant of evolution. The fact you tell James to think logically makes you all the more comical. Too bad so many of your fellow Americans are as ignorant as you.
So in order to privide confirmation that the bible is factual you assumed from the start that it was?You ask, where did I get my information from? I got my information straight out of Genesis 1:1.
You mean: when one makes assumptions one is led to the conclude that that assumption is correct if one sticks to things that will only confirm assumption and ignores the rest.When one first establishes this, they are then on the road to understanding. It is really self explanatory - as this is the way G-d had intended it.
Phi and Pi are two different, unrelated numbers.For instance, Pi (Phi)
Nonsense.But all these units of growth are in cahoots and conspire with each other. They are in a state of relationship and association with each other.
If only you could remove the limitations of your "understanding"...Which to my understanding shows valuable evidence of an intelligence behind the design.
To whom?Everyone will have to account for their actions at one time or another.