danshawen
Valued Senior Member
A lot has changed since the first time our Constitution failed us. I think breaking up would be a bad idea too, but not worth fighting a war like that again.I would if I was over there...they would probably bomb you.
Alex
It wasn't simply a failing of Christian values that caused our civil war. Many Jews living in the red states owned slaves too, and you would think the values in their Torahs would have taught them better. Perhaps that was because so many of the 613 commandments (only 10 of which made it into the other Abramic religions) dealt largely with the treatment of slaves. Note also, G-d punished both the Hebrew slaves and slave owners, which sends a mixed signal, doesn't it? Which group was more at fault, morally?
Don't depend too heavily on moral guidance from religion or religious scriptures to derive all of your moral values. Anything written with symbols as tools for finite minds is apt to have a great deal of incomplete or inconsistent moral instruction, as flawed as we are.
The rule of law replacing the whims and limitations of a human monarch is probably the best thing, other than literacy, that derived of these religious traditions. Someone please tell this to Trump and especially Ergodan. I suppose too many Turks are still nostalgic about Ataturk, but most Americans are not nostalgic about either King George or Fidel Castro.
Notice that the same moral values were in play both for England's American colonies, and the totalitarian Marxist regime of Cuba. Our neighbor still isn't free. Checks and balances between branches of government, and separation of church and state are both excellent values our current president seems not to share or realize, he has sworn an oath to uphold. He went so far as to appoint a stinking Marxist and a survivalist as a top adviser. There's a special kind of stupid there. Marx might have been a friend to Lincoln, but even Jefferson Davis would have known better.
Perhaps our constitution should have stipulated a civil service test with a section on constitutional governance for presidents and politicians before taking that oath. Ignorance of the law or the values underlying the laws they are sworn to uphold should be a disqualification to any appointed or elected office. Choosing to ignore so important a value is another bad idea.
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