Muhammad and Narcissistic Personality Disorder

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Some people wonder why Muslims become so irritated when you criticize their religion. To understand this phenomenon you have to understand Muhammad. Muhammad was a narcissist. He craved for attention. He demanded his followers to love him more than their own parents and more than their own selves. Personality cult is part of the despotic rule. Muhammad could make such demands by putting his wishes in the mouth of his imaginary Allah. Also because he was a narcissist he could not tolerate dissent and because of that he had no regards for human lives. Killing those who differed with him was as easy for him as killing bugs. Nothing mattered to him except his own self and his reveries of grandiosity.

Muslims echo that mindset. They have lost their own identity as independent human beings. They see themselves as part of Muhammad’s extended ego. They see their own existence as a function to appease this man's ghost. They have accepted to become supplies to Muhammad's narcissistic cravings.

Muhammad convinced his followers that those who serve him more, love him more, and sacrifice themselves for him are the best. He assured them that he is the only one that can intercede for them in front of Allah. Obedience to Allah actually meant obedience to him and fear of Allah was also fear of him. Allah was his own alter ego. So Muslims of his time competed with each other to meet his approval. The great historian Al Tabari, writes that Muslim tribes and individuals vied with each other to serve him and gain his approval. He would promise them heaven and they were elated with those promises. Tabari writes: if someone assassinated an opponent of the messenger of Allah he would praise the assassin for getting him rid of that opponent. This would encourage other Muslims to come to him and tell him that so and so is also badmouthing him asking his permission to kill that person. Al Tabari says such was the devotion of the believers that they felt envious of each other if one of them did a service to the Prophet and was favored by him. This sycophantic spirit, that is based on personality cult, typical in dictatorial milieus and encouraged by individuals suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, lingered among the followers of Muhammad and is accentuated by the passage of time. Muhammad is dead but the sycophantism of his early followers has survived. Muhammad is dead but his intolerance has survived. Muhammad is dead but the community that he forged continues to live by the standards hat he left.

There are several stories about Omar, the second caliph, who would pull out his sword asking permission to slay the man who would question Muhammad’s claim in front of him. Why would Omar behave in such manner? Obviously he was encouraged by Muhammad's approval. In this way he would show his total devotion to him and would demonstrate that he is a loyal believer. If you say a word against Muhammad and Muslims today behave as if they want to slit your throat is because that legacy of sycophantic zealotry condoned and encouraged by Muhammad has survived. Therefore the source of all Islamic bigotry and intolerance must be traced to Muhammad himself. This is a colossal catastrophe that a billion people follow the whims of an emotionally insane narcissist. Muhammad is such a huge lie that is almost believable. But we can only understand him if we study the lives of other great narcissists such as Hitler, Stalin or Saddam Hussein. Bearing in mind that Muhammad was the greatest of all.



From here

Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
 
spidergoat said:
from www.faithfreedom.org ,

To understand this phenomenon you have to understand Muhammad. Muhammad was a narcissist.

The irony of all this is that you being so obssessed with checking out personality disorders in detail points out to only one thing. That you suffer from a disorder yourself. You see, you are either a licensed phsyciatrist or a patient, and I'm sure you are not the former, big fat chance you are the later and that perfectly explains your half ass knowledge about a mental disorder condition.

And if I can see through you, then consider yourself in confession to the whole world that you are a mental patient who spends his time checking out sites dealing with personality disorders and painting others with your innermost demonic thoughts in a silly attempt to cover your own faults..

Your attempt to camouflage your disorder is uncovered....I'm sorry to be the first one to inform you of your deteriorated condition.
 
To JAMES:

What's up with the relaxed moderation?? Why are you letting threads like that continue without direction? Please give us a piece of your mind...it's warranted to raise the bar and clean this forum. Claims claims claims is all we get. Jesus that and Mohamed this......Not a single logic/historic fact to support the claims. Might as well change the name of religion forum to "Come and Insult a religion".
 
I have Asperger's Syndrome, a mild form of autism, (often accompanied by higher than average intelligence), but your personal attack is beside the point. I am perfectly willing to confront the reality of my own nature, are you?
 
Flores

You wrote much but said nothing.

Instead, why don’t you extract a few key points and show spidergoat the article is invalid or false? Name calling and appealing to a higher authority are not a defense.
 
You may be an antheist or an agnostic; or you may belong to any of the religious denominations that exist in the world today. You may be a communist or a believer in democracy and freedom. No matter what you are, and no matter what your ideological and political beliefs, personal and social habits happen to be - you must still know this man.

ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA confirms:

"....a mass of detail in the early sources show that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men." (Vol. 12)

GEORGE BERNARD SHAW said about him:

"He must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness." (THE GENUINE ISLAM, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)

He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.

"HIS NAME IS MUHAMMAD" May Peace of God Be Upon Him (pbuh)
He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (common era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam (submission to One God) at the age of forty and departed from this world at the age of sixty-three.

During this short period of 23 years of his Prophethood, he changed the complete Arabian peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal quarrels and wars to national solidarity and cohesion, from drunkenness and debauchery to sobriety and piety, from lawlessness and anarchy to disciplined living, from utter bankruptcy to the highest standards of moral excellence. Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since - and IMAGINE all these unbelievable wonders in JUST OVER TWO DECADES.

Lamartine the renowned historian speaking on the essentials of human greatness wonders:

"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislation, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls....his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was two-fold, the unity of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with the words.

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a religion without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is MUHAMMAD. As regards all the standards by which Human Greatness may be measured, we may well ask, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?" (Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp 276-277)

The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one-sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two fields, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time.

There is so much speculation about the time and place of their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that it is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.

Not so this man. Muhammad (pbuh) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the record so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

Muhammad (pbuh) was a religious teacher, a social reformer, a moral guide, an administrative colossus, a faithful friend, a wonderful companion, a devoted husband, a loving father - all in one. No other man in history ever excelled or equaled him in any of these different aspects of life - but it was only for the selfless personality of Muhammad (pbuh) to achieve such incredible perfections.

MAHATMA GANDHI speaking on the character of Muhammad, (pbuh) says in YOUNG INDIA:

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission.
These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."


THOMAS CALYLE in his HEROES AND HERO WORSHIP, was simply amazed as to:
"how one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."

DIWAN CHAND SHARMA wrote:
"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him." (D.C. Sharma, THE PROPHETS OF THE EAST, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12)

EDWARD GIBBON and SIMON OCKLEY speaking on the profession of ISLAM write:

"'I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MUHAMED, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet has never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion." (HISTORY OF THE SARACEN EMPIRES, London, 1870, p. 54)

Muhammad (pbuh) was nothing more or less than a human being. But he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God,' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, SAROJINI NAIDU says:

"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother." (S. Naidu, IDEALS OF ISLAM, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169)

In the words of PROF. HURGRONJE:

"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues: "The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."

The world has not hesitated to raise to divinity, individuals whose lives and missions have been lost in legend. Historically speaking, none of these legends achieved even a fraction of what Muhammad (pbuh) accomplished. And all his striving was for the sole purpose of uniting mankind for the worship of One God on the codes of moral excellence. Muhammad (pbuh) or his followers never at any time claimed that he was a Son of God or the God-incarnate or a man with divinity - but he always was and is even today considered as only a Messenger chosen by God.

MICHAEL H. HART in his book on ratings of men who contributed towards the benefit and upliftment of mankind writes:

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels." (M.H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York, 1978, p. 33)


K. S. RAMAKRISHNA RAO, an Indian Professor of Philosophy in his booklet, "Muhammad, The Prophet of Islam," calls him the "PERFECT MODEL FOR HUMAN LIFE." Prof. Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:
"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes! There is Muhammad, the Prophet. There is Muhammad, the Warrior; Muhammad, the Businessman; Muhammad, the Statesman; Muhammad, the Orator; Muhammad, the Reformer; Muhammad, the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad, the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad, the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad, the Judge; Muhammad, the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."

Today after a lapse of fourteen centuries, the life and teachings of MUHAMMAD (pbuh) have survived without the slightest loss, alteration or interpolation. They offer the same undying hope for treating mankind's many ills, which they did when he was alive. This is not a claim of Muhammad's (pbuh) followers but also the inescapable conclusion forced upon by a critical and unbiased history.

The least YOU could do as a thinking and concerned human being is to stop for a moment and ask yourself: Could these statements sounding so extraordinary and revolutionary be really true? And supposing they really are true and you did not know this man MUHAMMAD (pbuh) or hear about him, isn't it time you responded to this tremendous challenge and put in some effort to know him?

It will cost you nothing but it may prove to be the beginning of a completely new era in your life.

We invite you to make a discovery of this wonderful man, Muhammad (pbuh), the like of whom never walked on the face of this earth.
 
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(Q) said:
Flores
You wrote much but said nothing.

Instead, why don’t you extract a few key points and show spidergoat the article is invalid or false? Name calling and appealing to a higher authority are not a defense.

The Jew (Spidergoat) article was taken from FAMOUS HATE SITE, we are in the process of making counter site, it is already online:

http://www.faithfreedom.com

This website, aims to expose the well organised campaign of hate and deceit launched against Muslims and Islam on the Internet, on the TV, in books and newspapers. It seeks to refute and clarify the alleged teachings of hate, intolerance and violence in the Quran and the various so-called contradictions of the Quran.

It aims to deal with those individuals whose sole task in life is to demonise Islam; invent falsehood against it; mistranslate/misconstrue it's scriptures - taking them out of their historical and textual contexts; twist, lie, manipulate and misrepresent all that there is to know about this great religion and present day events concerning it. The polemics range from the standard missionary type to the professing to be wise (but becoming an idiot in the process) humanist. The role of the news media and journalists shall also be examined.

Since September the 11th, when 3,000 seemingly worthy of being mentioned (of course being mostly white and American) people perished away in a bloody act of murder, an eagerness to learn about Islam has increased. The link to Islam has been spurred on by the mass media in the West to give the public added reason to truly believe the alleged perpetrators of the act were religious zealots.

Many people, inspired by a sense of revenge sought refuge in websites and viewpoints which appealed to their state of mind (i.e. Islam is responsible for all terrorism that exists). The websites specialised in preparing "alternative" views on Islam, "it was an evil religion followed by fanatics", and they had the evidence, the Quran itself! These sites had the tenacity to suggest "the world is flat according to Islam", Prophet Mohammed was a "paedophile" and that the terrorists version of Islam was the "correct one". Of course, there was zero talk on the bad politics, injustice, double standards and decades of abuse by the Great West against Muslims. Though, most balanced human beings have quickly realised that American policy is responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington many journalists and other people of responsibility didn't. The polemics conveniently ignore the faults of their own nations and continue to deny any wrong doing till this day. Although the juvenile attempts of Islam-bashers do not appeal to those of sound reason and judgement, they do however appeal to the inherently ignorant masses who despise reason.

In their conceited attempts they quote from the Holy Quran in ways which suit them best, sacrificing both honesty and validity in the process. Many polemics use controversial sources of information, without explaining their nature in the slightest and the degree to which Muslim factions agree upon the same sources. We invite you to witness for yourselves some of the underhanded techniques polemics employ to deceive the public about the religion of Islam. We ask you to be objective in your approach to reading and learning


www.faithfreedom.com

..HATERS LIES WILL BE REFUTED AND CRUSHED.

:D
 
I don't hate Islam, nor do I subscribe to the beliefs of Judaism, or any other religion. In all fairness, narcissistic traits can be found in the psychology and actions of Israelis, as well as Bin Laden.

Exerpts from Narcissists, Group Behaviour, and Terrorism
Interview with Dr. Sam Vaknin
Thus, if recurrently traumatized or abused by external or internal forces, a group of people may develop the mass equivalent of pathological narcissism as a defence or compensatory mechanism. By "abuse" and "trauma" I mean any event, or series of events, or circumstances, which threaten the self identity, self image, sense of self worth, and self esteem of the collective consistently and constantly - though often arbitrarily and unpredictably. Human collectives go through formation, individuation, separation - all the phases in individual psychological development. A disturbance in the natural and unhindered progression of these phases is likely to result in psychopathology of all the members of the collective. Being subjugated to another nation, being exiled, enduring genocide, being destitute, being defeated in warfare - are all traumatic experiences with far reaching consequences.

The members of the collective form a "condensate" (in physical terms) - a material in which all the atoms vibrate with the same frequency. Under normal circumstances, group behaviour resembles diffuse light. Subject to trauma and abuse - it forms a malignant laser - a strong, same wavelength, potentially destructive beam. The group becomes abusive to others, exploitative, detached from reality, bathed in grandiose fantasies, xenophobic, lacking empathy, prone to uncontrolled rages, over-sensitive, convinced of its superiority and entitlement. Force and coercion are often required to disabuse such a group of its delusions. But, this of course, only cements its narcissism and justifies its distorted perception of the world.

Consider the case of the Jews.

The Jews have been subjected to the kind of trauma and abuse I mentioned earlier on an unprecedented and never repeated scale. Their formal scriptures, lore, and ethos are imbued with grandiose fantasies and a towering sense of superiority and "mission". Yet, the inevitable contempt for their inferiors is tampered by the all-pervasive pragmatism the Jews had to develop in order to survive. Narcissists are not pragmatic. They live in a Universe of their own making. They see no need to get along with others. Jews are not like that. Their creed is a practical survival guide which obliges them to accommodate others, to empathize with their needs and desires, to compromise, to admit errors, to share credit, to collaborate, and so on.

Israelis, on the other hand, are "unshackled" Jews. They believe themselves to be the mirror image of the diaspora Jew. They are physical ("somatic"), strong, productive, independent, in control. They, in short, are less bound by the need to perilously co-exist with baleful, predatory, majorities. They can allow themselves a full, unmitigated, expression of whatever defence mechanisms they evolved in response to millennia of virulent hatred and murderous persecutions. Being an Israeli, I gained privileged insight into this fascinating transformation from tortured slave to vengeful master.

The Holocaust was a massive trauma NOT because of its dimensions - but because GERMANS, the epitome of Western civilization, have turned on the Jews, the self-proclaimed missionaries of Western civilization in the Levant and Arabia. It was the betrayal that mattered. Rejected by East (as colonial stooges) and West (as agents of racial contamination) alike - the Jews resorted to a series of narcissistic defences reified by the State of Israel. The long term occupation of territories (metaphorical or physical) is a classic narcissistic trait (of "annexation" of the other). The Six Days War was a war of self defence - but the swift victory only exacerbated the narcissistic defences. Mastery over the Palestinians became an important component in the psychological makeup of the nation (especially the more rightwing and religious elements) because it constitutes "Narcissistic Supply".

Bin Laden (and by extension Islamic fundamentalism) is the narcissistic complement of the State of Israel. His narcissistic defences are fuelled by unrequited humiliation (Millon's "compensatory narcissism"). The humiliation is the outcome of a grandiosity gap between reality and grandiose fantasies, between actual inferiority and a delusional sense of superiority (and cosmic mission), between his sense of entitlement and his incommensurate achievements, skills, and accomplishments.

Terrorists can be phenomenologically described as narcissists in a constant state of deficient narcissistic supply. The "grandiosity gap" - the painful and narcissistically injurious gap between their grandiose fantasies and their dreary and humiliating reality - becomes emotionally insupportable. They decompensate and act out. They bring "down to their level" (by destroying it) the object of their pathological envy, the cause of their seething frustration, the symbol of their dull achievements, always incommensurate with their inflated self-image.

They seek omnipotence through murder, control (not least self control) through violence, prestige, fame and celebrity by defying figures of authorities, challenging them, and humbling them. Unbeknownst to them, they seek self punishment. They are at heart suicidal. They aim to cast themselves as victims by forcing others to punish them. This is called "projective identification". They attribute evil and corruption to their enemies and foes. These forms of paranoia are called projection and splitting. These are all primitive, infantile, and often persecutory, defense mechanisms.

When coupled with narcissism - the inability to empathize, the exploitativeness, the sense of entitlement, the rages, the dehumanization and devaluation of others - this mindset yields abysmal contempt. The overriding emotion of terrorists and serial killers, the amalgam and culmination of their tortured psyche - is deep seated disdain for everything human, the flip side of envy. It is cognitive dissonance gone amok. On the one hand the terrorist derides as "false", "meaningless", "dangerous", and "corrupt" common values, institutions, human intercourse, and society. On the other hand, he devotes his entire life (and often risks it) to the elimination and pulverization of these "insignificant" entities. To justify this apparent contradiction, the terrorists casts himself as an altruistic saviour of a group of people "endangered" by his foes. He is always self-appointed and self-proclaimed, rarely elected. The serial killer rationalizes and intellectualizes his murders similarly, by purporting to "liberate" or "deliver" his victims from a fate worse than death.

The global reach, the secrecy, the impotence and growing panic of his victims, of the public, and of his pursuers, the damage he wreaks - all serve as external ego functions. The terrorist and serial killer regulate their sense of self esteem and self worth by feeding slavishly on the reactions to their heinous deeds. Their cosmic significance is daily enhanced by newspaper headlines, ever increasing bounties, admiring imitators, successful acts of blackmail, the strength and size of their opponents, and the devastation of human life and property. Appeasement works only to aggravate their drives and strengthen their appetites by emboldening them and by raising the threshold of excitation and "narcissistic supply". Terrorists and killers are addicted to this drug of being acknowledged and reflected. They derive their sense of existence, parasitically, from the reactions of their (often captive) audience.
 
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(Q) said:
Flores

You wrote much but said nothing.

Instead, why don’t you extract a few key points and show spidergoat the article is invalid or false? Name calling and appealing to a higher authority are not a defense.


Q why dont you prove or spidergoat prove that their article is true? Since the prophet died hundreds of years ago and now we get this so called claim from some so called person and you really want some one to belive that some one who died 12-1400 years ago can be examined?

Who ever made this claim have to be kidding himself, it is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. First the so called pedophile calims and when they didn't fly we got some thing new poped up. :)

Do I see a patren ?? hmm.. :rolleyes:
 
spidergoat said:
I don't hate Islam, nor do I subscribe to the beliefs of Judaism, or any other religion. In all fairness, narcissistic traits can be found in the psychology and actions of Israelis, as well as Bin Laden.

Exerpts from Narcissists, Group Behaviour, and Terrorism
Interview with Dr. Sam Vaknin

Spidergoat, You can't examined mental stability of person who might died 10 years ago and these guys are talking about some one who died 12-1400 years ago? Do you see that there is something not right? :bugeye:
 
Proud_Muslim said:
The Jew (Spidergoat) article was taken from FAMOUS HATE SITE, we are in the process of making counter site, it is already online:

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PM too bad that all these so called calims come from some hate sites, I wonder why? lol. People take them as word carved on a stone but anything to counter those claims are not good enough for them, since they are from muslim sources.Do I smell double standards ? :)
 
You call him a narcissist despite the fact that Muslims cannot worship saints or prophets. If Muhammad was a narcissist he probably would have declared the reverse.
 
Flores:

What's up with the relaxed moderation?? Why are you letting threads like that continue without direction? Please give us a piece of your mind...it's warranted to raise the bar and clean this forum. Claims claims claims is all we get. Jesus that and Mohamed this......Not a single logic/historic fact to support the claims. Might as well change the name of religion forum to "Come and Insult a religion".

The Religion forum has never been a great one for logical argument.

Moderation is a tricky business. If I deleted everything which was critical of one religion or another, I estimate it would reduce the number of posts in this forum by about two thirds. Therefore, my general policy is to allow threads which are critical of one religion or another. We can usually be confident that supporters of the criticised religions will provide an appropriate response to the criticism. Most of the time, it is not of a very high standard, and is fairly easily dealt with (for the reasons you mentioned).

I do not allow posts which are directly critical of other posters. On the other hand, I do tend to leave posts which say "All Christians are ..." or "All atheists ..." or "If you are a Muslim you must be ...". It is sometimes a fine line to draw, but I try to draw it in a consistent way.

Having said all that, perhaps it is time for me to poll people on the standards of moderation. See the new thread I'm creating on that.
 
Mohammad is not a flawless man. But the term narcissistic sounds odd. No narcissistic can withstand constant humiliation and risk of death for 10 or more years and still be polite and forgiving. A narcissistic / delusional person would collapse or burst-out and get killed under such intense pressure. Mohammad withstood the ordeal in mecca during the infancy of Islam.
 
Markx said:
PM too bad that all these so called calims come from some hate sites, I wonder why? lol.

True brother, These hate sites appeal to the ignorants who hate reason, that is why Jews like Spidergoat is quoting from them.

I read the other day that since the beginning of the 20the century, more than 27,000 book were written to defame Islam and demonise it..they FAILED miserably as Islam is now the Fastest growing religion in the world.

Brother, dont worry about those haters and their books and their hate sites, let us read what Allah (swt ) said in the Noble Quran regarding this very matter:

''They (the disbelievers) want to extinguish Allâh's Light (Islâm) with their mouths, but Allâh will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate it'' The Noble Quran 9:32

It is divine promise that Allah's light ( Islam ) will spread all over the world and that is what we are seeing just right now....ALHAMDO LLAH.

People take them as word carved on a stone but anything to counter those claims are not good enough for them, since they are from muslim sources.Do I smell double standards ?

True, I smell hypocrisy and dead rats when dealing with haters and liars....again brother, no one ever managed to curtail the sun....NEVER.
 
With modern knowledge of mental illness, I'm constantly amazed than anyone can take any of these religions seriously. Remember, when you talk to god, it's prayer. When god talks to you, it's Schizophrenia.

All of the millennia of slaughter over gods that do not exist. With no end in sight.

I find solace in the idea that someday humans will be extinct, and then peace will return to planet Earth.
 
Q why dont you prove or spidergoat prove that their article is true? Since the prophet died hundreds of years ago and now we get this so called claim from some so called person and you really want some one to belive that some one who died 12-1400 years ago can be examined?

Lacking access to Muhammad himself, my claim is only speculation, and I'm not sure it can be proven 100%. Perhaps the author of this article simply meant to discredit Islam, I don't know. But the fact remains, personality disorders occur today, and I think it is reasonable to assume they could have occured in the past, too. Couple that with certain parts of the story of Muhammad seeming to parrallel the actions of such famous narsissists as Hitler and Mussolini, and their rise to power and prominance in the political landscape, and I think it becomes a rather compelling idea. My position is that there is no god, so given that assumption, how does one explain the rather extreme actions and worldview of such an imortant religious/political leader?
 
''They (the disbelievers) want to extinguish Allâh's Light (Islâm) with their mouths, but Allâh will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate it'' The Noble Quran 9:32
How convenient and foresightful that this belief system also contains a built-in self defence mechanism, surely Muhammad designed it well.
 
Proud_Muslim said:
You may be an antheist or an agnostic; or you may belong to any of the religious denominations that exist in the world today. You may be a communist or a believer in democracy and freedom. No matter what you are, and no matter what your ideological and political beliefs, personal and social habits happen to be - you must still know this man.


.... what followed was a laundry list of famous people who really liked Mohammed.

PM - your ENTIRE post consists of a logical fallacy called “Appeal to Authority” (with “Unrepresentative Sample” on the side).

So what if these dozen or so people think the Prophet is the bees knees? This proves nothing and does not refute Spidergoat’s post in the least.

(Hey Flores – there’s some logic for ya ;))

And I just love how you respond to Spidergoat’s post w/, “The JEW (Spidergoat) article….”. Are you as proud of your Anti-Semitism as you are of Islam? You carp about how many posters on this board lump all Muslims together and treat them as a monolithic entity. It is ironic that you have no issues with doing this to the JEWS.

Tell you what, my illogical Islamic propagandist who stumps for a ghastly religion that sees hundreds of people trampled each year in the name of the almighty (and most merciful – NOT) Allah, from now on instead of responding by calling you PM - I dub you PMTIJH;

Proud Muslim the Irrational Jew Hater.

Barkhorn.
 
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