Much Ado About Nothing. Violence Overblown..

[Neverfly]

People with one substance abuse problem are very, very likely to have more than one.

No, not really. According to Alcoholics Anonymous, the most common substances abused when a person has more than one addiction are Cigarettes and coffee.

Most Heavy Drug users do tend to use other drugs. However, most alcoholics tend to use other LEGAL drugs.

It's funny how Obama completely avoided this by being honest and saying he has tried cocaine.

So did Clinton. I cannot say I care if someone tried something they probably should not have in their life. My concern would be if someone was being influenced by abuse to affect their job or others.

 

[Repo Man]

But the point is that Sandy and her fellow travelers think that pointing out the probability of GW's having tried, and likely regularly used (in the 70's), cocaine is a deadly insult, because they are the sort of people who hold that sort of thing against someone. But they are also the sort of people who somehow consider him to be a bumpkin from Texas who inexplicably rose to public prominence, rather than a product of a very wealthy and privileged family from the eastern seaboard, who got into Yale because of family connections. He somehow created a persona that completely eclipsed his reality in their eyes.

 

[PieAreSquared]

People with one substance abuse problem are very, very likely to have more than one.



It's funny how Obama completely avoided this by being honest and saying he has tried cocaine.

The Gov of NM told Bush that he should just fess up about he just chose to say; When I was young and reckless .. I was young and restless.

Big deal so he did blow.. he needed something to sober up with

If he only had the backbone to admit it.. but Karl Rove wouldn't go for it.

look how hush hush they were about Laura smoking cigarettes

 

[Neverfly]

But the point is that Sandy and her fellow travelers think that pointing out the probability of GW's having tried, and likely regularly used (in the 70's), cocaine is a deadly insult, because they are the sort of people who hold that sort of thing against someone. But they are also the sort of people who somehow consider him to be a bumpkin from Texas who inexplicably rose to public prominence, rather than a product of a very wealthy and privileged family from the eastern seaboard, who got into Yale because of family connections. He somehow created a persona that completely eclipsed his reality in their eyes.

I agree with this and I do understand the point.

However, as I said, a slinger of mud is just a slinger.

In order to promote a better viewpoint, one must not be "as guilty."
That was my point.

 

[PieAreSquared]

According to Alcoholics Anonymous, the most common substances abused when a person has more than one addiction are Cigarettes and coffee.

Now there a good source a bunch of Yeah-Yeah ers

people who have to invent a higher power to shoulder up to their own actions
success rate is pretty low not different from any other treatment

It's not a disease..it's poor judgment

 

[Neverfly]

Now there a good source a bunch of Yeah-Yeah ers

people who have to invent a higher power to shoulder up to their own actions
success rate is pretty low not different from any other treatment

It's not a disease..it's poor judgment

This is a typical response from someone who has no idea what they are talking about in relation to addictions.

(Note: I am not an alcohilic and I don't even bother to drink. However, I know many alcoholics including many family members. Just a note, before one of our more bitter members decides to jumpt to conclusions and start flaming.)

 

[PieAreSquared]

I'm not a alcoholic either. I certainly know enough over the years. I have one friend I have know since high school .. he has close to 30 years sobriety. It works for a lot of people but just as many or not more it doesn't work at all. Again poor judgment

You want to back up your claim that with some AA success stats.. good luck.

As far a my typical response that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It's my opinion.
Just like it's your opinion that have no idea

Please fill me in on how much more you are qualified to share a different opinion

 

[Neverfly]

I'm not a alcoholic either. I certainly know enough over the years. I have one friend I have know since high school .. he has close to 30 years sobriety. It works for a lot of people but just as many or not more it doesn't work at all. Again poor judgment

True, it IS poor judgment that gets a person addicted. But once addicted, it is very difficult to overcome. An addict must develop a frame of mind that can cope with severing addiction.

You want to back up your claim that with some AA success stats.. good luck.

I do not need to.
The stats are based on over-all behavior and addictions and is Unrelated to how successful addiction defeat is. That's a straw man.

As far a my typical response that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It's my opinion.

We can all claim opinions... But educated ones matter the most.

Please fill me in on how much more you are qualified to share a different opinion

Ok...
To answer that is very personal.

So I will cover my butt and simply state things another way:
Consider that your opinion is based upon the fact that you have not necessarily had to sit IN AA and try to overcome and addiction for yourself. Now ask yourself how qualified you are to know what it is like.

I have suffered a lot in my life for having not known, myself. I had to learn the hard way...
You may not need to. But you can LOOK into it on your own and develop a more educated opinion the easy way. You do not need to take my word on anything.

 

[PieAreSquared]

Good for you oh educated strawman.

Glad you kicked whatever it was you got wrapped up in.

Personally, I don't have to go to China to know it's there. But I have been to a few pep rallys, taking someone else

AA is a farce.. it's all within oneself to be able to defeat any addiction.

 

[Neverfly]

Good for you oh educated strawman.

Huh?

Glad you kicked whatever it was you got wrapped up in.

Well, THAT didn't take long. I even added a note predicting it.

So, is this the standard on this forum? When someone gets reasonably refuted they just forget maturity and angrily start slinging derision?
Well, I can hand some back, too.
Let me make something clear. Saying what you're saying is the WORST thing you can say to an alcoholic. But in your arrogant ignorance, you will spew that out mindless of the mental damage it causes. You do not care.
I posted back on it because if you put some thought into it and have the HONOR to correct yourself, you can prevent that.

Instead, you lose self control and just post something to attack someone else.

I am not obligated to you respect your "opinion" anymore than you are mine. I certainly am not obligated to pander to your ego. And you do not have some God Given right to go through life unoffended if someone suggests that you do not understand something.

Of Course it is within them. But in order to use that, they must become emotionally and mentally stable enough to get to that point.

If you disagree- Start a Sobriety program and see if YOU get better results. Given the attitude you have shown, I guarantee you'll have nil.

 

[PieAreSquared]

you started with the slanderous remarks, I simply said that AA was not really qualified to reach conclusions as to the status of addictions. They are living in a fantasy world.

Your remark..This is a typical response from someone who has no idea what they are talking about in relation to addictions. your strawman comment show you only know how to parrot.

Your side stepping ..oh very personal display typical AA mentality.

So stop calling the kettle black..pot

I could care less if any of the drunks get sober, far as I'm concern they can drink themselves to death.. and get out of the way of those who are productive members of society..not a bunch of cry babys who claim they have a disease

It's not like it's something new under the sun. You play with fire and you get burnt

AA is a farce. Higher power is a joke. But feel glad to start a new thread

 

[Neverfly]

you started with the slanderous remarks, I simply said that AA was not really qualified to reach conclusions as to the status of addictions. They are living in a fantasy world.

What you stated was irrlevant and I made that Clear.
That you refuse to accept that is telling.

Your side stepping ..oh very personal display typical AA mentality.

Yeah, it's personal and none of your business. So get over it.

So stop calling the kettle black..pot

I could care less if any of the drunks get sober, far as I'm concern they can drink themselves to death.. and get out of the way of those who are productive members of society..not a bunch of cry babys who claim they have a disease

Pot calling kettle what? Hardly. Take a look at your own hate filled words. You are nothing like me.

But feel glad to start a new thread

No, I am done with you.

 

[PieAreSquared]

my bad

 

[Pandaemoni]

Conservative talk radio has not lied about Obama. But what about when W was prez and the left called for his assassination? Called him a war criminal? Called him every name in the book. Called him a stupid/drunk/cokehead.

Calling Obama an non-American, racist, secret Muslim Nazi tyrant who, along with the terrorists he is in league with, wants to destroy America is just as bad as that. He gets an average of 30 death threats per day, not because conservatives are evil, but because fucking nutbags on the right and the left are so similarly stupid that they use the same tactics.

People who follow politics need to grow up, and right now 90% of the cry babies publicly whining away are on the right. It seems like no one can bring himself or herself to disagree with anybody unless they convince themselves that their opponent is the embodiment of all that is bad and dangerous. No one is every just "wrong" or "misguided," they are fundamentally evil. Obama is not going to destroy America, and he doesn't want to. His not having dinner with Netanyahu or holding a photo op with him is not going to undermine U.S. Israeli relations. His naming someone as a "czar" is not a secret signal that he is installing communism into the White House. At no time did Obama (or any other Democrat) want there to be "death panels" that would decide to kill Americans. That Obama bowed to a Saudi leader is not a sign of his obeisance to their greater authority (or to his devotion to Islam) any more than Bush's holding hands with a Saudi leader as the pair walked around his ranch was a sign they were in love.

Some people are too passionate, to the point of irrationality, to be allowed to follow politics. To me, it seems like 25% of those who read the Daily Kos or Huffington's website, or who attended or wanted to attend a tea party, fall into that group. Worse, these fucking morons are the ones who devote the most time to putting up blogs and researching their political enemies every minor flaw, because you have to be nuts to spend that much time worrying about shit like that (for example, the idiots who wasted their time questioning Obama's birth certificate, or scouring his grade school records). It's unfortunate but understandable that these kinds of people are also the ones who get TV shows, because rational discourse is not good television.

We all have moments where our passions carry us away, but some people have really let their brains atrophy in the past two decades, and passion and conspiracy theories are all they have left.