Mortal Hero Kicked Allah's Butt!

[DoctorNO]

Hear ye! Hear ye!

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  Quran 61:10-13
  
  10. O you who believe, let Me inform you of a trade that will save you from painful retribution.
  
  11. Believe in GOD and His messenger and strive in the cause of GOD with your money and your lives. This is the best deal for you, if you only knew.
  
  12. In return, He forgives your sins, and admits you into gardens with flowing streams, with beautiful mansions in the gardens of Eden. This is the greatest triumph.
  
  13. Additionally, you get something you truly love: support from GOD and guaranteed victory. Give good news to the believers.

With the promise of loot, sex, salvation & instant victory from Allah, the Muslim hordes was unleashed from the deserts of Arabia and swept the world by surprise. The feuding empires of Persia & Syria, weakened by their ongoing wars, were attacked from the rear and fell instantly to the sword of Islam. Westward & Eastward the Jihadists rolled. Jerusalem, Egypt, North Africa & India fell one by one like dominoes. The muslim barbarians even crossed Gibraltar to steal the lands of spain. France was next on the list. The backdoor to Europe since Byzantine was impregnable at that time. France the only thing standing between Islam and total world domination. On 732 the goon hordes of Islam with the aid of the false god Allah unleashed their might on the Franks. Already they have wrought devastation on the southern towns of the kingdom when Charles Martel came to the scene and faced the fury of Allah. Martel slew the mortal leader of the horde while the Christians fought eagerly at Martel’s side repelling the Islamic savagery. The Allah & the muslims finally retreated and afterwards continued to suffer defeat after defeat. With all the Virtual powers of the false god Allah he was shamefully defeated by the human hero Charles Martel. VIVA LA FRANCE! Thank you for standing up to oppression. Thank you for saving man’s future from the oppression of Islam.

 

[Flores]

What is the point of this thread? Does god have a butt?

You are building out a real nice resume...and fast, just two days, and you have set for youself a trend. Consider the time when you run for an office and we start looking at your accomplishment.
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[Tiassa]

Thank you for saving man’s future from the oppression of Islam.

The problem with agit-prop is that it usually isn't true.

Such is the case. Such is life.

Who will save us from the post-Christian West?

At any rate, there's nothing like celebrating the racism of old. One of the problems of claiming a better way is that one actually has to show one. The West has only made piles of money; it hasn't made a better life. Would you prefer Muslims any better if they simply used bankers and lawyers to steal food from your mouth, as the West does?

After all, it was only a few centuries later that Europe tried to kill itself. I'd say the Inquisitions show that it never really was about defeating Muslims for the European Christians, but just about being bloodthirsty, glory-seeking bastards. And such a history is more in line with the Western world today.

 

[Greco]

It gets back to Robert Ruarks "Something of Value". White man replaces old culture with a much better newer culture only to find out the opposite. If we replace a value system it must be better than the old one.

 

[DoctorNO]

The problem with agit-prop is that it usually isn't true.

Such is the case. Such is life.

Who will save us from the post-Christian West?

At any rate, there's nothing like celebrating the racism of old. One of the problems of claiming a better way is that one actually has to show one. The West has only made piles of money; it hasn't made a better life. Would you prefer Muslims any better if they simply used bankers and lawyers to steal food from your mouth, as the West does?

After all, it was only a few centuries later that Europe tried to kill itself. I'd say the Inquisitions show that it never really was about defeating Muslims for the European Christians, but just about being bloodthirsty, glory-seeking bastards. And such a history is more in line with the Western world today.

Try not to complicate things. Just choose between these two...

1. Would you rather live in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, & Somalia?

or

2. Would you rather live in Europe, America, Japan, Hongkong, Australia & India?

Countless muslims are choosing #2. What would you choose? If you choose the same then you better thank Charles Martel too, eh?

 

[spidergoat]

Strive in the cause of God? What is God's cause? Surely not wordly victories, more likely personal spiritual ones.

And yes, Flores, we are made in his image, so he must have a butt... but no navel.

 

[Tiassa]

Try not to complicate things.

Try not to dumb things down so much. If you get too dull, the point becomes no point at all.

Either/or is an archaic concept that we know is false in the world. It's not one or two, yes or no. There is, inevitably, a maybe, gray zone, or third option.

Just because a woman's not being raped in the ass doesn't mean she's not being raped.

Celebrating the ignorance of the West as you have only testifies to the paucity of Western ideals and values.

Are you stoned or drunk? Go ahead, pick one to represent your life. There are only two options, you know. You must be one or the other.

Does that seem fallacious? Welcome to it, Doctor No.

No dualism is concrete.

 

[Mystech]

Yes yes, there's certainly nothing like a good old fashion false dilemma. It's got to be one or the other, black or white! I honestly don't think it'd have made much of a difference whether Europe became Muslim or not in the first few hundred years AD. Look at the direction that America has been able to take despites it's own puritanical Christian roots, I doubt the outcome would be much different whether it was Allah or Jesus that they were praying to.

 

[DoctorNO]

Try not to dumb things down so much. If you get too dull, the point becomes no point at all.

Either/or is an archaic concept that we know is false in the world. It's not one or two, yes or no. There is, inevitably, a maybe, gray zone, or third option.

Well then why don’t you propose a gray zone between the 2 choices I gave you eh?

Just because a woman's not being raped in the ass doesn't mean she's not being raped.

Irrelevant.

Celebrating the ignorance of the West as you have only testifies to the paucity of Western ideals and values.

How is that relevant in this discussion? You either live in an Islamic ruled state or in a non Islamic ruled-state. And I didn’t limit my example to the West, I also named Japan, Hongkong, India & Australia.

Are you stoned or drunk? Go ahead, pick one to represent your life. There are only two options, you know. You must be one or the other.

I would rather live in a non-islamic state. Hongkong is too alien to me but I would choose that anytime than live in the barbaric lands of the muslims. What about you?

 

[DoctorNO]

Strive in the cause of God? What is God's cause? Surely not wordly victories, more likely personal spiritual ones.

And yes, Flores, we are made in his image, so he must have a butt... but no navel.

The context of that verse is WAR. Muslims must continue fighting non-muslims until BOTH objectives are met.

1. All religion is for their false god Allah. Which means no room for hinduism & paganism. Compulsion plain & simple.

2. No more oppression.

 

[DoctorNO]

Yes yes, there's certainly nothing like a good old fashion false dilemma. It's got to be one or the other, black or white! I honestly don't think it'd have made much of a difference whether Europe became Muslim or not in the first few hundred years AD. Look at the direction that America has been able to take despites it's own puritanical Christian roots, I doubt the outcome would be much different whether it was Allah or Jesus that they were praying to.

Some positions could only be either/or. You could either be alive or dead, never undead. You could either be ruled by Islam or not ruled by Islam. If you think there is a possible gray region there then please tell me.

 

[Flores]

Some positions could only be either/or. You could either be alive or dead, never undead. You could either be ruled by Islam or not ruled by Islam. If you think there is a possible gray region there then please tell me.

Only you like to think so much in terms of black and white. Mystech is absolutely correct. Religion, no matter which one you are talking about could be separated from the State, and that applies to Islam. In order for religion to stay pure, you must keep it private in the heart of the people and out of the control of groups and governments. Egypt for example, uses Frensh laws, yet it has 90% muslim population.

DoctorNo, Although I don't agree with Bush on everything, I think America knows exactly what the problem is. The problem could be narrowed down to one word "SAUDI". The real root of terrorism, the real root of fanatic ideas about Islam, the real root of all troubles. Saudi, a country that have allowed pagan traditions to define Islam and is using it's wealth from oil to import these ideas to other countries. The poor arabic countries who are hopeless with bad economy can only find relief working in or for Saudis. After so many years of this, we end up with a bunch of Saudi look alikes who would imitate a monkey to get their salary. Fix Saudi and you fix the entire arabic world...Fix Saudi and Islam will be purified. It's that plain and simple, and it's more political than religious. On top of all that, Saudi owns geographically one of the most holliest sites in the whole world. Mecca. Mecca is the first house of god build by Abraham and described in the bible as the corner stone building. By guess what, the keys of the house falls with the Saudis, they get to define it, allow whomever they wish to it, turn whomever they wish from it, decorate it, introduce paganism to it, ect......

Just imagine this, one country owns the entire energy source and houses the house of god. A bunch of ignorant bedwins who used to live in tents and all of sudden became oil filthy rich and acting as spiritual leaders. No transition whatsoever between their backward culture and their super rich status, much like the "Beverly Hills Show". Then on top of all that, we let these idiots define Islam for us because somehow we need their money. Saudi needs to be retrofitted and bad, and It's not Islam that needs to be changed.

 

[DoctorNO]

Egypt for example, uses Frensh laws, yet it has 90% muslim population.

Then they are not ruled by Islam. Thats not a grey region.

I wonder if democracy would ever be discovered if Charles Martel failed to defeat Allah.

 

[Flores]

Then they are not ruled by Islam. Thats not a grey region.

I wonder if democracy would ever be discovered if Charles Martel failed to defeat Allah.

I don't know what you are talking about? Do you know that India is the only democracy in the world....and they can't do anything because of it. Democracy is the curse of India. America is a republican...I'm not sure about France, but I think it's a socialist country.. Charles Martel didn't discover any democracy, he wouldn't know what democracy is if it hits him in the forehead.

 

[DoctorNO]

I don't know what you are talking about? Do you know that India is the only democracy in the world....and they can't do anything because of it. Democracy is the curse of India. America is a republican...I'm not sure about France, but I think it's a socialist country.. Charles Martel didn't discover any democracy, he wouldn't know what democracy is if it hits him in the forehead.

There are many forms of democracy. It is probably just your opinion to say that only india is the true democracy.

Martel did not discover democracy but his military success ensured the preservation of greek & Romand cultures which houses the Republic form of government which is the precursor of democracy.

 

[DoctorNO]

The problem could be narrowed down to one word "SAUDI". The real root of terrorism, the real root of fanatic ideas about Islam, the real root of all troubles. Saudi, a country that have allowed pagan traditions to define Islam and is using it's wealth from oil to import these ideas to other countries. The poor arabic countries who are hopeless with bad economy can only find relief working in or for Saudis. After so many years of this, we end up with a bunch of Saudi look alikes who would imitate a monkey to get their salary. Fix Saudi and you fix the entire arabic world...Fix Saudi and Islam will be purified. It's that plain and simple, and it's more political than religious. On top of all that, Saudi owns geographically one of the most holliest sites in the whole world. Mecca. Mecca is the first house of god build by Abraham and described in the bible as the corner stone building. By guess what, the keys of the house falls with the Saudis, they get to define it, allow whomever they wish to it, turn whomever they wish from it, decorate it, introduce paganism to it, ect......

Just imagine this, one country owns the entire energy source and houses the house of god. A bunch of ignorant bedwins who used to live in tents and all of sudden became oil filthy rich and acting as spiritual leaders. No transition whatsoever between their backward culture and their super rich status, much like the "Beverly Hills Show". Then on top of all that, we let these idiots define Islam for us because somehow we need their money. Saudi needs to be retrofitted and bad, and It's not Islam that needs to be changed.

Sounds like mission impossible. Especially that muslims are submissive to the religious authorities above them.

 

[Flores]

There are many forms of democracy. It is probably just your opinion to say that only india is the true democracy.

It's not my opinion, it's the truth. Democracy is an idealistic term that implies that every citizen have an equal vote in determining the future of their country. Only India truly applies this, and it has shown to be a very slow process.

Martel did not discover democracy but his military success ensured the preservation of greek & Romand cultures which houses the Republic form of government which is the precursor of democracy.

The Romans didn't excercise democracy, they appointed elite few to make decisions on their behalf. It's pure dictatorship, with just more dictators than we are used to for blaming, instead of a one person dictatorship to get all the blame. If anything, I think romans invented dictatorships.....and they invented racism and occupations. They taught the whole world the art of enslave others and steal other countries resources.

The Frensh are arrogant bitches. They understand nothing about democracy. They enslaved the whole world at one point so that their white wigged elite can have another ball party. How did the Frensh excercise democracy in their occupations??? They were one of the worst occupation for Egypt. So much for the culture that you rave about. Napolean idea of breaking Egypt pride has resulted in him aiming a cannon at the sphinx to break it's nose....His culture has destroyed 5000 years of architectural marvels.....His ugly language has erased many beautifull native dialects that were used all along North Africa....What culture are you talking about?

 

[DoctorNO]

It's not my opinion, it's the truth. Democracy is an idealistic term that implies that every citizen have an equal vote in determining the future of their country. Only India truly applies this, and it has shown to be a very slow process.

Do you mean to say that a democracy allows every citizen to vote for every decision making issues of the country?

The Romans didn't excercise democracy, they appointed elite few to make decisions on their behalf. It's pure dictatorship, with just more dictators than we are used to for blaming, instead of a one person dictatorship to get all the blame. If anything, I think romans invented dictatorships.....and they invented racism and occupations. They taught the whole world the art of enslave others and steal other countries resources.

That’s why I said “PRECURSOR”.

The Frensh are arrogant bitches. They understand nothing about democracy. They enslaved the whole world at one point so that their white wigged elite can have another ball party. How did the Frensh excercise democracy in their occupations??? They were one of the worst occupation for Egypt. So much for the culture that you rave about. Napolean idea of breaking Egypt pride has resulted in him aiming a cannon at the sphinx to break it's nose....His culture has destroyed 5000 years of architectural marvels.....His ugly language has erased many beautifull native dialects that were used all along North Africa....

Democracy was developed in the U.S., right? Not in France.

What culture are you talking about?

I was referring to the cultural practice of using senators to represent the people.

 

[munim_786]

Strive in the cause of God? What is God's cause? Surely not wordly victories, more likely personal spiritual ones.

And yes, Flores, we are made in his image, so he must have a butt... but no navel.

thank you for your post. i would just like to clear something up. in the Bible God is described as haveing the image of male human beings but in the Quran God's attributes resemeble nothing whatsoever of man or any creation. his attributes can not even be imaganed as thoughts are created. if in the Quran it says something such as Allah's hand or thoughst etc. that does not mean a hand or thoughts in our terms or in our understanding or imagination

 

[munim_786]

What is wrong with the Muslim Empire? at the time Muslims made great advances in Science, it made great libraires for people, gave all people rights (men,women,children,animal). it made many new concpets and ideads that the rest of the world implemented hundreds of years later.

it did not oppress people, or make them surrender to Islam. at these time this was true Islamic ruling not these of today in Muslim lands.

Also you dont have to go back as far as this Arab empire, the last Muslim empire broke up just before world war 1 and the Muslim lands were divided mainly in this century (1900 onwards). the state of Islamic countires is bad nowadays but not to long ago are empire was prosperous. Are empire fell after hundreds of years of plotting by are enemies. all empires MUST fall, it is just logic in the past empires lasted hundreds and hundreds of years and now each reign is much shorter. these Western superpowers (doesn't really come under the classification "empire") will enivitably fall, it is only logic.